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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2016 11:45 p.m. PST

I always had Loyalist units in my British AWI army.
The main reason was that Hinchliffe had some nice attractive figures available back when I started painting and playing.

First unit was of course the Queen's Rangers. LI figure plus officer. Add grenadier and officer. Add a kilted Highlander (with McNabb tartan!). I never did finish the Hussars, since it's such a dorky looking figure and there were maybe 20 of them in total.

British Legion! Of course. Such a snazzy uniform, and the Hinchliffe figure is awesome. Oddly, not so much the officer with pistol.

Butler's Rangers of course, but not exactly the troops for a brigade level game. I had a lot of militia and Indians skirmish based, so a lot of GASLIGHT and Fire and Steel games.

I did a battalion of deLancey's with the Hinchliffe Continentals. My first Green Stuff conversions ever gave them the proper pimp hat plumes.

I wanted to game the Wyoming Massacre, so I did a unit of green coat Hinchliffe and one of Old Glory mixed Continentals as Johnson's Greens.

Now I have the bug to do the South in skirmish scale.
So I got three blisters of Perry Volunteers of Ireland.
I have added a few companies of King's Mountain backwoodsmen with Highland bonnets.
Plus King's Mountain Continentals but with red coats.
Continental figures make good Loyalists do I have a unit of Old Glory in red coats.

And then there is the horde of militia figures who don't know which side they will be on in the next battle.

nevinsrip Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 12:40 a.m. PST

Like you John, I am branching out into the Loyalist units.
I've got all the usual suspects (named above) so I've been spending time researching the Loyalist forces at Kings Mountain. It appears the all the uniformed forces came from NY/NJ and were wearing red/faced blue that day. There may have been some other facing colors and I'm still looking into that.

I'm also working on some smaller Loyalist cavalry units using Perry figures.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 2:57 a.m. PST

Working on my first now.

MajorB12 Feb 2016 3:07 a.m. PST

2 or 3 I think.

GiloUK12 Feb 2016 3:20 a.m. PST

As Bill knows, I've been focusing on loyalists of late. Like you, John, the Queen's Rangers were the first (with the highland company courtesy of Eureka's F&IW figures); next were Dunmore's Ethiopians/negro militia just for fun, using the "maroons" from Foundry's pirate range; then nothing for several years until the Perry plastic British infantry came out and I did the King's Orange Rangers; then I added Emmerich's Chasseurs (mounted and foot), the East Florida Rangers (mounted) and the King's Carolina Rangers (using Perry plastic Continentals for the infantry and Eureka reagged dragoons for the mounted elements); most recently I painted up 16 plastic Brit infantry in blue-faced coats to act as generic, later-war loyalists infantry from New York and New Jersey.

Plans include some yellow-faced chaps for South Carolina loyalists; De Lancey's in their white hats; then the KRRNY the the King's American Regiment in green coats. I'll also copy whatever Bill does for King's Mountain.

My loyalist troops are all here, if anyone's interested: link

zippyfusenet Inactive Member12 Feb 2016 5:39 a.m. PST

My collection is mostly F&IW, but I can put on an AWI game if I squint a little. And I do.

My collection also tends toward generic units – the guys in hunting frocks, the guys in civvies, the guys in green faced red, the Rangers. Many of these are of dubious loyalty, and could take either side, depending on the scenario and how the neighborhood feuds have been running lately.

"So you say you're here to collect taxes on whiskey for the state of Pennsylvaney? Well GAWD SAVE THE KING! Open fire, boys!"

Private Matter12 Feb 2016 5:57 a.m. PST

As I'm doing primarily skirmish games in the southern theatre just under half of my crown forces are loyalists.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 6:02 a.m. PST

I knew when I was making up this list that I would leave something out.

I combined Perry and Foundry light infantry in pimp hats. I painted them green and they are The King's Generic Loyal American Infantry.

We have an embarrassment of riches for General Fraser (although he was British, he was the only British soldier at King's Mountain). Old Glory has a very oddly posed figure wearing a government Highland bonnet. King's Mountain has a more conventionally posed mounted figure.

And since my plans include Moore's Creek Bridge, I have tons of kilted and trewsed Jacobites that are totally anachronistic.

And my British Legion has some very nice reinforcements from Old Glory who sometimes cross over as Lee's Legion.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 6:55 a.m. PST

I have two.

historygamer12 Feb 2016 7:04 a.m. PST

The British Legion infantry uniform is a mystery, so I am not sure what to put on the table for them.

I have the QR, though cocked hats for most of the war would be more appropriated than the mitres they are often pictured in from the late war period. I must admit mine are the BM figures in the later cap.

My army is primarily 1776/1777, so not many Loyalist units then. As the war went on there was a dizzying array of Loyalist cavalry units to choose from, though they are later combined with each other.

Just finished reading Peebles journal (42nd gren officer) and he rated the Fourth Battalion fo DeLancey's as the best overall Loyalist unit (though when he said that the QR was off to the south).

RudyNelson12 Feb 2016 7:25 a.m. PST

I have had Loyalist units for decades. Butler Rangers, Queens Rangers, Delancy, King Carolina Rangers and a few Southern region units.

PVT64112 Feb 2016 8:45 a.m. PST

4

Queens Rangers in 1777 uniform
2 Battalions NJ Volunteers
Ferguson Rifles

mbsparta Inactive Member12 Feb 2016 9:14 a.m. PST

2 not counting Native Americans

MikeB

Doug MSC Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 10:57 a.m. PST

8 infantry regiments of 16 men each, 6 Cav. Regiments of 8 men each and 2 Artillery units of 8 men and two guns each. All 40mm. That's not counting my British, Hessians,
Americans and French.

Garde de Paris12 Feb 2016 11:10 a.m. PST

Can anyone add anything to

"researching the Loyalist forces at Kings Mountain. It appears the all the uniformed forces came from NY/NJ"

I was always under the impression that they had been raised from Royalists in South Carolina, and recall writings of cousins on the Patriot side killing cousins on the Royalist side – and vice versa.

Any other information?

GdeP

rmaker12 Feb 2016 11:11 a.m. PST

Two with at least two more on the schedule.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 11:51 a.m. PST

Garde de Paris, he is referring to the "regular" uniformed Loyalists.
The units you refer to are the militia on both sides.

21eRegt Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 12:00 p.m. PST

Two with a third infantry in (slow) progress and one mounted.

mad monkey 112 Feb 2016 12:19 p.m. PST

None.

Gnu200012 Feb 2016 12:28 p.m. PST

British Legion (30 foot and 18 mounted)

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NY Loyalist Cavalry (6)

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NY Loyalists (18)

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NY Volunteers (18)

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Volunteers of Ireland (30)

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SC Royalists (18)

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Loyalist light infantry (12)

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Royal North Carolina Rgt (30)

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Undoubtedly more to come!
Keep up to date on the blog: paintingshed.blogspot.co.uk

mghFond12 Feb 2016 12:46 p.m. PST

Those units are superb, GNU2000 !

nevinsrip Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 1:53 p.m. PST

TMP link

GDP, The key word here is "uniformed".

At Kings Mountain, anywhere from 120 to 200 Uniformed Loyalist
troops took part in the battle. Everyone else on both sides were in civilian clothing.
The Loyalists from SC and the area, were all Militia Units that were being trained by Gen Fraser and his staff.
It appears that the staff was plucked form NY and NJ Loyalist units.
There are several threads about the composition of the forces at KM on TMP. Check the link above.

Hope that this helps.

B6GOBOS Inactive Member12 Feb 2016 2:49 p.m. PST

I have the British Legion (Horse and Foot), the New York Volunteers/ 3rd American and Kings American Regiment/4th American. The Legion is in green coats while the others are in red coats. I also give the two infantry regiments a set of colors based on the British system (a regimental and Kings color) because being on the American establishment the colonels would want them to be more British then the British to quote John the OFM.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 7:29 p.m. PST

Giles, your attitude is similar to mine. If there are specific figures for a unit, go for it.
For the rest, let's see what's in the box….

And if we have to make "educated" guesses, I can live with that. grin
My attitude towards someone pointing out an error is, go get the right figures, paint them up and give them to me. I'll use them in my next game.

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 11:45 p.m. PST

Queens Rangers including mounted, Butlers Rangers, Emmerich's Chassuers foot and mounted. I think maybe one more but I can't recall. All Minifigs except some Der Kriegspieler mounted figs for Emmerich's and two diminutive light infantry from Grenadier for the Queens Rangers because that's all there was at the time.

Bill N13 Feb 2016 6:34 a.m. PST

I am just starting to do the British Legion. Because red coats faced blue was a fairly common uniform among Loyalists in the southern campaign, and because other units such as Loyalist militia did not have uniforms, I am largely getting by with generics.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP13 Feb 2016 11:10 a.m. PST

12 Regiments. I have some generic militia that I use for Loyalist militia.

Pfister's Milita
Peter's Militia
Jessop's Foot
King's Royal Regiment of Foot
Royal Greens
New York Dragoons
De Lancy's Foot
King's American Regiment
84th Royal Highland Emigrants
British Legion
Queen's Rangers
Butler's Rangers
Misc. Militia.

Early morning writer Inactive Member13 Feb 2016 7:16 p.m. PST

20 units of foot, 3 mounted. Yup, that's a lot. Just wanted 'em so I got 'em.

Virginia Tory24 Feb 2016 9:24 a.m. PST

I have the mounted British legion and the King's American regiment in round hats.

Others are on the way…eventually.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2016 11:27 a.m. PST

Surprised nobody has mentioned this:

link

This is a great resource for anyone researching the history of Loyalists, and more particularly Loyalist combat units, from the AWI. Whilst primarily focussing on the people, rather than the uniforms and flags, there are odd snippets of information here and there which will make an afternoon of trawling the pages worthwhile.

Todd Braisted is a splendid chap and is only too happy to share his encyclopaedic knowledge of the subject, so don't be afraid to ask if you have any questions.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2018 8:56 a.m. PST

Lazarus, come forth! Resurrect this thread!

Just got a bag of Old Glory Dragoons wearing tricorne.
Bill at Kings Mountain has given me a veritable plethora of heads, so I see Emmerich's Chasseurs on the horizon.
He also gifted me 6 Perry Queen's Rangers Hussars, so my 2 Hinchliffe won't feel so lonely and virgin never having been played with.

I did a bunch (technical military term, meaning "a lot") of Kings Mountain backwoods men figures wearing the plain low bonnet. Moore's Creek Bridge and of course the eponymous Kings Mountain.
I'm also in the process of painting up a lot (technical military term for "a bunch") of Old Glory Queen's Rangers, ostensibly for Spencer's Ordinary, but really just to have them handy for mayhem and shenanigans. Red McNab kilt of course.

Plus his Continentals make perfect figures for hard campaigning "regulars". I did a unit of redcoat and one of greencoat Loyalists.

Dunmore's Ethiopians using the Perry figures, Foundry Maroons and Old Glory Black Seminoles. Also some Old Glory Pirate Rangers Voodoo Warriors. A few random pirates too.

If this seems like free advertising for Kings Mountain, well, yeah. It is.

95th Division Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2018 8:40 a.m. PST

I've got Queen's Rangers (foot) and the British Legion. (All Old Glory 25's).

PVT64127 Jun 2018 8:13 a.m. PST

4

1777 Queens Rangers
2 Battalions NJ Volunteers.
MD Loyalists.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Jun 2018 5:50 p.m. PST

I have the 1777 Queens Rangers in round hats, British Legion cavalry and Ferguson's Rifles. All Fife & Drum figures. I might add a Perry Vols of Ireland regiment to my southern forces.

historygamer28 Jun 2018 6:00 a.m. PST

For 15/18mm, generic field modified Corwn uniforms of red faced blue goes a long way for later war Loyalist units. If people can to bend down and examine the flag to see good luck as I need a magnifying glass at home.

I have the QR in late war uniforms infantry, and BL/QR in Tarleton helmets as well. I also have a green faced red unit of infantry, but admittedly it does not see much use.

At the recent 240th of Monmouth event four men fielded as early war QR (1778). Standard green coat, faced white, round hat. Many Loyalist units of 1778 or so had that kit.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 6:44 a.m. PST

Jim. What figures did you use for Ferguson's Rifles?
I used the Perry and Foundry dela Gatta figures painted green, since I had no clue what the uniform "should" be.
Equivalent to those Perry and Foundry figures are your British Light Infantry with plumed hat. I just got another batch of them recently for a Germantown game.

Normal Guy28 Jun 2018 8:31 a.m. PST

I'll kick in. Have British Legioni and Queen's Rangers, line, mounted, and gun crew.

historygamer28 Jun 2018 9:14 a.m. PST

Here is the green uniform, but the riflemen were also intermixed with redcoated soldiers with muskets too IIRC.

link

Normal Guy28 Jun 2018 12:23 p.m. PST

Winston, the Old Glory Dragoons in tricornes that you mentioned, is that the AWI 44 2nd Connecticut bag? Always looking for variety and had not tried them. Thanks.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 12:38 p.m. PST

Yes. Those are the ones.
"Normal" uniform. Not dragoon uniform.
Boots.
Arm is separate with swords.
Head is a breeze to saw off and plug in a substitute.

With a box of Warlord plastic militia, you can substitute arms and or sling muskets on back for mounted militia.
Lots of possibilities.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 1:58 p.m. PST

A 2016 post. I almost replied then I noticed I replied back in Feb. 2016. Who posts on a two year old thread?

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 6:01 p.m. PST

Quite a few, apparently.
I was just updating my original post.
Threads like this never get old.

Normal Guy28 Jun 2018 8:48 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info, Winston, though I can't see me kit bashing arms and stuff. I'm guessing I can come up with my own one offs.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 9:20 p.m. PST

They're perfectly fine as is as Emmerich's Chasseurs, going by Lefferts.
I just want to tart mine out a wee bit.

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