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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 Jan 2016 11:38 a.m. PST

Do you have any wargame armies which use metal "flat"-style figures?

53Punisher22 Jan 2016 11:56 a.m. PST

Not metal, but used card ones for some things early on before some miniatures were available.

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 12:03 p.m. PST


Ottoathome22 Jan 2016 12:04 p.m. PST

My Civil War armies use "flat" wooden figures form "Woodens." I'm not nearly good enugh to paint 30mm flats. If I ever won the powerball I might commission armies of them.

Chokidar22 Jan 2016 12:07 p.m. PST

I did a few times when I was living in France – and they were some of the best games ever – TYW with masses of troops.. I still remember with pleasure one particular engagement… Great stuff.

JimDuncanUK22 Jan 2016 12:17 p.m. PST


The Tin Dictator22 Jan 2016 12:17 p.m. PST


Garand22 Jan 2016 12:33 p.m. PST

In this day and age I can't really imagine why you would want to game with flats, with all of the figures already out there. I understand it is a more traditional European art form, but just like I don't build models out of wood anymore (unless wood is the best material for it, like sailing ships), time has moved on with better materials and casting techniques…


Tacitus22 Jan 2016 12:35 p.m. PST

No. For me, the difference between a board game and a miniatures game is the nice 3d cannon fodder.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 12:37 p.m. PST


Black Cavalier22 Jan 2016 12:43 p.m. PST

Like Ottoathome, not metals, but wooden. A friend is the Wooden Wars creator, so I have a collection of his Napoleonic, Victorian, & robot soldiers.

Who asked this joker22 Jan 2016 12:58 p.m. PST

I'd happily game with whatever is available. I don't personally game with flats but they definitely would do in a pinch.

Personal logo ACWBill Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 12:59 p.m. PST


MajorB22 Jan 2016 1:04 p.m. PST

No, but I know someone who does.

Winston Smith22 Jan 2016 1:05 p.m. PST


Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 1:15 p.m. PST

Yes but I have not used them for decades and they are metal and casein mixed.


Green Tiger22 Jan 2016 1:25 p.m. PST

Noi but I would… Real works of art some of them. I understand Peter Dennis is bringing out a book or wargaming the ECW, complete with cardboard flats. Pretty tempting.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian22 Jan 2016 1:44 p.m. PST

Peter Dennis let me have a file with some of his paper flats on them – C18th figures. Gorgeous stuff.

FusilierDan Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 2:07 p.m. PST

They're under consideration for 2017s gaming project. ECW for OHW or a smaller type game. I think they look great but an worried about the effort needed to paint them well.

Paper flats would be fun also but I can't get around the border that seems to be kept around the figures. The Billy Bones figures look good.

If the "Woodens" Otto alluded to became available again I would get some of the Foreign Legion.

Legbiter22 Jan 2016 2:14 p.m. PST

No, all of my opponents are three-dimensional.

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 2:34 p.m. PST

Yes, I have a very large collection of metal ancients . Many I gathered on my own over the years and then Pat Condrey gave me some flat figures that he had obtained from Tony Bath.

A few years ago at historicon,I did a very large battle based on Tony Bath's battle in Don Featherstone's war games book. I bring them out at least once a year and play with them. I do the same with my original Britain's playing the battle of hooks farm.

Why play with them? Isn't it fun to be nostalgic once in a while? They are very beautiful, an artform when painted by artists. I have one elephant from Fernando that is a piece of art.


Most of mine are just wargame quality but still very stunning, from the side of course :-)

R Dean22 Jan 2016 2:38 p.m. PST


No, but we do game with Prince August semi-flats pretty regularly.

John Treadaway22 Jan 2016 2:38 p.m. PST

Certainly not.

John T

Bob the Temple Builder22 Jan 2016 2:40 p.m. PST

Members of the Society of Ancients certainly do …


Jeigheff22 Jan 2016 4:42 p.m. PST

NO, but I would if there was interest locally.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 4:57 p.m. PST

Have used 2D card figures.

Would love to use flats…if only I had the time to paint them.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 5:24 p.m. PST

I have never gamed with any, nor do I know anyone who owns any.

Mute Bystander22 Jan 2016 6:01 p.m. PST

Never have.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 6:32 p.m. PST

Does this count?

Shadow Monsters!

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2016 7:04 p.m. PST

Not metal (though I wouldn't turn a game down, if offered).
I did use the Junior General site to print out some AWI flats, which I mounted in foam core bases and did some solo AWI gaming with.

Ottoathome22 Jan 2016 7:23 p.m. PST

My love affair with flats is because I have seen the astounding paint jobs done on these and I would love to have them as works of art. I tried painting them once. I did such a terrible job I never touched them again.

That's the point. To me they are art.

(Phil Dutre)23 Jan 2016 3:09 a.m. PST


Wooden flats: link

Paper flats: link

I also have a growing collection of metals, but they haven't seen the table yet.

Trebian Sponsoring Member of TMP23 Jan 2016 3:56 a.m. PST

Yesthatphil has Arab & Byzantine flats he got from Phil Barker. They were used last year for a show game refight of Yarmuk using DBA 3.

Ottoathome23 Jan 2016 6:51 a.m. PST

Dear Phil

Yes Phil, them's woodens. I have lots in the American Civil War. I also developed 2 dimensional terrain. Actually it's 2 1/2 dimensional, fits together like the inserts in wine crates.

Doug MSC Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2016 8:10 a.m. PST

Never have gamed with them but they sure look beautiful.

FusilierDan Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2016 10:53 a.m. PST


Those are great looking games.

Lost Wolf24 Jan 2016 9:21 p.m. PST


Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP25 Jan 2016 12:08 a.m. PST


daler240D11 Feb 2016 7:49 a.m. PST

I am trying to! I have my first batch that I'm painting up as SYW Austrians.

Asterix Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2016 11:19 a.m. PST

Absolutely Yes! Inspired by Tony Bath's rules and pictures in Donald Feathersone's "War Games" I've been wargaming with them since 1970.

I liked their animation and the number of nations offered by Flats.

Painted flats are easily found on

(I do wargame with Rounds which must testify that I'm tolerant.)

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP26 Oct 2016 4:07 p.m. PST

I game with flats. After all day at work in heels, I just can't stand them any longer …

Whitewolf3626 Oct 2016 6:07 p.m. PST

I want to. What's the best way to get started in a period? Availability seems to be the issue. Any advice?

snurl126 Oct 2016 9:23 p.m. PST

Talk about a one-sided battle.

Personal logo Skull and Crown Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Oct 2016 7:41 a.m. PST

I create and play several games using my Wooden Flats, both floor top and table top.
Here's a few pictures of my games and models: From my 54mm Imaginations line.



From my 80mm Wooden Wars line and game




And from my upcoming Breaking Lances game.



It's kind of my jam.

for more pics and info, please take a look at my blog

Asterix Supporting Member of TMP27 Oct 2016 2:11 p.m. PST


You made all those flats??????


Asterix Supporting Member of TMP27 Oct 2016 2:17 p.m. PST

Whitewolf check out You could type in "zinnfiguren" in their search engine, but "flachfiguren" is the term you really want to use as the former would result in auctions for full rounds as well as flats.

Napoleonics and or Seven Years War are the two eras that are offered in relative abundance. There are others but it's more of catch as catch can for them.

Whitewolf3627 Oct 2016 5:49 p.m. PST

Thank you Asterix! Much appreciated!

RudyNelson28 Oct 2016 1:23 p.m. PST

No, I do not.

Personal logo Skull and Crown Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Oct 2016 7:57 p.m. PST

Asterix- Yes, I've been doing it for about 4 years now.
Here's a shot from my "Queen Victoria's Robot Wars" line.


you can find them on my store


Yesthatphil10 Nov 2016 3:44 a.m. PST

Hadn't spotted this thread before – but thanks to Bob and Treb for signalling my Phil Barker/Tony Bath flats project above.


(Yarmuk at the Society of Ancients conference a few weeks back)


(The Tony Bath 'Hyboria' game at WMMS earlier in the year)

We will be running the Tony Bath game at Reveille in Bristol at the end of the month as part of the History of Wargaming project (see TMP link ) …

This will be a traditional/nostalgia run but I'm hoping we will get better at using Tony's rules and maybe get to a definitive/smoothed out game (there are several published versions of the Bath rules) ..

Ancients on the Move

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