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sneakgun22 Jan 2013 8:11 p.m. PST

Having purchased some FIW figures, I decided on an alternative history to the NW United States. By combining all the lakes of N Idaho into the prehistoric aquifer and moving it a lot of degrees southward…..Noveau Barataria. Inland swamps fought over by Spanish, Russian, Independent Cajun and Indians with a liberal mix of pirates guarding the gateway to the gold and silver mines, and the rich fur trapping frontier. The Central city is St Jean d'Arc founded by French trappers reenforced by Jesuits and guarded by lake pirates….settled by Cajuns. I shall paint some and establish a new blog.

sneakgun22 Jan 2013 8:16 p.m. PST
abdul666lw Inactive Member22 Jan 2013 10:29 p.m. PST

Looking eagerly forward to discover 'your' North America!

abdul666lw Inactive Member23 Jan 2013 5:11 a.m. PST

Sainte Jeanne d'Arc
Pirates? Privateers, rather, if blessed by the Jesuits!

Do natives and half-breeds worship strange idols in the swamps? link

Are there circles of stones older than the native tribes on the tops of some hills regularly struck by lighting during clear nights? link

With that fishing hamlet isolated by swamps, its weird looking inhabitants definitively hostile to strangers? Facing that part of the Great Lake where the Marie-Céleste was found empty of all life except for a cat, and where the Saint-Philibert link capsized by dead calm and no survivor managed to swim to the close shore? TMP link

Where that French Lady Marie Laveau link is obviously supported by the Church for her competences despite her repute YouTube link? ('the lesser evil' / 'enemies of my enemies are my friend attitude).

Where a faceless fear lurks? link
YouTube link
YouTube link
(set in Nouvelle France 'Le poil de la bête' begins like 'Guns for San Sebastian' with Anthony Quinn: to flee the Law a rogue escapes in the wilderness dressed as a churchman -a Jesuit in this case; people of an isolated settlement believe he's really a priest and welcomes him as a savior. But here the threat is of different nature.)
YouTube link

(rules? link)


Possibly lurking in the bayous?



Otherwise, 'historically accurate' Seminoles for a later (but not too much) period are now available, I believe.

abdul666lw Inactive Member23 Jan 2013 9:36 a.m. PST

Really intriguing / exciting. Could you post a map?

Am I totally wrong to think that with the shifting southward the area could be reached from the South (re. the Lewis & Clarke expedition)? Meaning that the Nouvelle Baratarie and Sainte Jeanne d'Arc may have be founded, not from French Canada, but by Jesuits from La Nouvelle Orléans having moved upriver with their hired flibustiers (as 'sailors') and boucaniers from Haïti, recruited for their hunting skills?

By the mid-18th C. La Nouvelle Baratarie would still be difficult to reach, hence rather isolated. It would explain while the tongue of the Cajuns (in 'our time line expatriated Acadians link) would have so quickly developed
linguistic and phonetic peculiarities. Also, marrying with the Natives would be the only way to prevent degenerative inbreeding link?

Sorry to intrude and invade your brain-child: put the blame on enthusiasm!
Waiting for the blog thumbs up!

coryfromMissoula23 Jan 2013 10:43 a.m. PST

I look forward to the blog.

sneakgun23 Jan 2013 4:38 p.m. PST

Thanks for all the suggestions and the French language corrections. Please feel free to interject, it is a place to have fun in.


I'd forgotten that they are Seminoles available….
Also, Deerslayer would change to some form of Alligator hunter…Crocodile Dundee???

sneakgun23 Jan 2013 5:12 p.m. PST

Uploaded the basic blog template.

abdul666lw Inactive Member23 Jan 2013 11:11 p.m. PST


abdul666lw Inactive Member24 Jan 2013 6:50 a.m. PST

Gatorgutter? Fenryll Chasseur de sorcière link would be fitting -paint him with a leather tricorne, of course!


Fenryll minis are generally *huge*, but he is a 'larger than life' character grin

If HeroClix link produces figurines for 'Assassin's Creed 3' Aveline de Grandpré


would fit quite well in your setting thumbs up
(*repainted* HeroClix minis become often quite good)

abdul666lw Inactive Member24 Jan 2013 3:20 p.m. PST

A few unsolicited ideas for elements of possible flag for Nouvelle Baratarie (actually 'national flags' in the modern sense appear only during Revolutionary times, but…).
Flags were almost square by then.

A miss skill and software to do the 'final product' thus the elements appear separately.



The white cross is the 'classic' French pattern (re. the flag of Québec e.g.).
The 2 elements on the left are the 'not too modern' components of the Cajun flag.
The element on the lower right comes from an 'alternate history' variation of the Louisiana coat of arms.
For the element on the upper right what appears on the flag -the 3 arrows- is only there to mark the place. I'd suggest rather the arrows and yoke (yes, deformed from the badge of the Falanje Española) with the seal of the Jesuits over the center. To be in gold on a red field, echoing the '3 gold towers on red' of the lower left square.

Over the center of the flag, and probably over an aura to be isolated from the background


a shield (the 'crown' refer to the fortification of Sainte Jeanne d'Arc but the 'mantling' of golden leaves on the sides are not to be there (I was to lazy to erase them), to be replaced by the supporters- between two 'supporters', a Native and a Free Black I propose a 'Sainte Jeanne d'Arc' Au naturel but alternatively the (supposed?) 'arms' of Joan of Arc (right) could be used, if less… spectacular.

Yet a more 'realistic' flag -and a more 'credible / likely' for the period- would have 4 identical 'squares', and then either the Cajun '3 lys' or the arms of Joan of Arc; at most 2 types of squares, and then the identical 2 on the same diagonal. As 2nd type of square the 'arrows -Natives- and yoke -free ex-slaves- with the Jesuit seal' -all are Christianized by the mission, in gold over red or more likely in white over blue to be consistent with the other type of square, would be informative and original.
I like the 'catechism pious image' look of the 'Sainte au naturel'.

Sorry to intrude, put the blame on enthusiasm.

sneakgun24 Jan 2013 9:02 p.m. PST

I have one of these….it could live in the swamp….

abdul666lw Inactive Member24 Jan 2013 11:09 p.m. PST

Indeed, but hopefully just a baby spawn of the Great One, otherwise not only La Nouvelle Baratarie but the whole world are doomed!
More motivating to worship than a stone idol


but it has to feed…

abdul666lw Inactive Member24 Jan 2013 11:38 p.m. PST

For the flag I got carried away. The closer equivalents then were 'identification' jacks to tell predator from prey at sea (though they were also used on fortresses, specially oversea) and they had to be simple. The most likely -if starting from my hypothesis- would be similar to the modern flag of Quebec but with the 3 'Cajun' lilies instead of a single one.

The idea of a coat-of-arms over the center of the flag came partly from British infantry King's Colors of the time


but a whole coat-of-arms would probably be 'too much' for an ordinary regiment (only for the Foot Guards?): line units would have, if any, a simple device (a blue circle with the elements of Joan of Arc's arms, with perhaps a 'fortified city' crown instead of the 'real' one)?
Infantry flag (some 6feet x 6 feet then) were heavy and only the upper part close to the flagpole was 'unfolded' and thus visible under less than a strong wind. that's why the British infantry 'regimental' flags had a small Union Jack there. Wisely the Swedes placed there the distinguishing device of each regiment:
(from link ). Here each regiment may display an upper poleward quarter with its simple device instead of the 3 lilies (but still in white on blue, for homogeneity): an alligator, a bear, an eagle, a wolf, a tower, a tree….

Cavalry flags were generally of a totally different pattern than the infantry ones (even in Great Britain, showing that the 'Union Jack' was not as yet perceived as a national flag) and the two sides were often different. All French cavalry standards and guidons still carried Louis XIV's golden sun over a variable field (to simplify, it could be of the facing color).


Thus another device than lilies can be used for the cavalry (the 'arrows & yoke'?)
Austrian flags often displayed an image of Virgin Mary on one side (for the Leibfahne) :

Here it coukd be the image of St Joan of Arc?

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