"Raevsky Great Redoubt" Topic

Does anyone make a model of it in 15mm?

Does anyone really know what it looked like, I have seen images of defences on the field which appear like square or rectangular section Gabions of wicker work, forming merlons and embrasures for the guns as in a castle battlement.

I understand it also had "wings" and was at least partly closed off at the rear.

It held about 18 guns so it is going to be BIG. I am having a play at scratch building one in 28mm, but I think it will have to be modular.

Images or links welcome

rabbit

The old Scenic Effects has one that is pretty close – see:

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also see the one Mike Cope did in 28mm for the recent Little Wars show here in Melbourne:

TMP link

John

You could build your own using something like this:

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I have created redoubts using wooden beading, one side painted brown for earth and the other painted green and flocked.

May have to build my own. Trying to avoid it though. I remember the old Scenic Effects one. I didn't know who was selling that line now. I have the Hugomont and Plangent sets and they are gorgeous. Thanks for the links.

Try this article,

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cheers

I've just read this which may help. I've picked up a few ideas from it.

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If the blog owner reads this I hope he doesn't mind me posting here.

Re the model immediately above- not sure about the grass growing up the front and sides- the redoubt was only built the day before the battle! Think it may owe more to the reconstructed specimen now standing on the site.

Link to what it suppose to look like.

Thanks for the information guys. Mithmee, I am having some problems getting your link to work.

@ Mithmee, I cannot get anything either please repost
rabbit

See if this one works.

It is the top picture on the right.

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@ Mithmee, thank you, the link (top left?) Napolun dot com, includes the square / rectangular section design I was aware of.

Despite the descriptions of the redoubt including wings and some element of defence at the rear, none is visible on the images.

C'est la vie. I will crack on and see what I come up with.

For 9 model guns it will be big!

rabbit

The pic from napoleonistkaya is reasonable.

Here a discription

"Lieutenant [Dementii Ivanovich] Bogdanov [(7.viii.1791 – .ii.1879)] (of pioneers) left us [a] more detailed description of the [be]st known redoubt of the Napoleonic Wars:

"At 11 PM, I was ordered to ride to general Raievski. I found him at a battery built in consequence of an order he had issued. The battery was completely finished, and artillery pieces were in their places; it comprised almost a straight line, so that its front angle was more than 160 degrees and was pointed to the junction of the Emenovskii Brook with the Kolocha River. Its right face extended in the direction of two batteries near Gorki village and the artillery of the VI Infantry Corps, and on the left face, it dropped to the line of the VII Infantry Corps where it was protected by its artillery pieces and by an open battery of 60 pieces placed near Semonovskoie village; because of all this, the whole space in front of it was protected by a heavy crossfire.

General Raievski met me with the following words: 'We have built this battery ourselves; your commander, visiting me, praised our work and its placement, but as the open and flat terrain can be accessed by cavalry, so he advised us to dig a line of wolf-pits at 50 sazhen in front of the battery; we have done this; now, the one and most important problem remains: the enemy can outflank us and take the battery from the rear; it is necessary to make a strong obstacle to him. Inspect all and tell me what and how to do [it]. The battery had 19 artillery pieces, the length of the front line was up to 60 sazhen; the width of the moat was 3,5 sazhen; the depth near the counterscarp up to 1,5 sazhen … It was necessary, despite the lack of time, to add two epaulments of ramparts and a moat on the flanks, and to cover the rear with double palisade with two passages with palisaded gateways in them; … the fortification … was finished by half-past four in the morning." "

Note: A 'sazhen' [from 1835] = 2.1336 m.

Thanks to Steve Smith

A good reading about its construction, defence etc. can be found in Mikaberidze's Borodino, highly recommended.

Also the amount of guns varried, most likley 18 guns.

LT. GEN. RAEVSKII AT BORODINO
(Translated by Mark Conrad, from Otechestvennaya voina 1812 goda, Volume XVIII (1911), pp.59-60, annotated by Steven H. Smith.)
Lt. Gen. Raevskii to Gen.-of-Inf. Dokhturov, 11 September 1812(OS), No. 280, from Lukovna. (Military Historical Archive, sec. II, No. 1877, pg. ?)

At the Borodino position I was with my corps on the left flank in the first two lines, with my right resting on a large mound, or kurgan, on which I placed the heavy artillery company (1) of the 26th Brigade. Seeing from the lay of the land that the enemy would conduct his attack on our flank and that my above-mentioned battery emplacement would be the key to the whole position, I fortified the kurgan with a redoubt and reinforced it with guns as much as the place allowed (2).

2) 18 guns: 12 guns from the 26th Battery Company and 6 guns from the 47th Light Company.

Courtesy of Steve Smith, again:

This was a version I built in 6mm, if that is any inspiration.

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I used techniques similar to that described here for some generic ones.

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M's Borodino is a good reference …I was bummed I couldn't make it out there this year …

That is one big earthwork. Could someone with a knowledge of Russian confirm my translations of the text on the post by AllanFMountford. I assume that the (brown) lines extending to right and left are the shoulders or wings to protect the supporting infantry, and to slow anyone trying to get around to the rear. interesting to note the 160 degree front face, a much shallower angle than is normally depicted in these things.

LEFT NAPOLEON FACE and RIGHT NAPOLEON FACE

LEFT FLANK FACE and RIGHT FLANK FACE

text, middle bottom seems to mean FORTRESS FACE

It is interesting to note that they called cannon Napoleons in a similar way to the ACW.

text ending "YC" at the lower edge on the left and right I assume are left and right shoulders or wings but cannot translate YC

rabbit

:-) My Russian's rusty, but these are new to me, and my wife claims it's not Russian at all. :-) Maybe someone's having fun, I don't know…

I think what you have is:
L + R Field-Facing Walls
L + R Flank Walls
L + R Whiskers (or mustaches)