"Napoleonic Russian cavalry generals" Topic

I want to start painting some 18mm Russian generals soon but I am finding it a little difficult to find any details, specifically on uniforms worn by Russian cavalry generals.
Can anyone point me in the right direction for information on the colour of uniforms worn by them.
Were they much different from their infantry counterparts? Would they have worn cuirasses or helmets like some French cavalry generals?
Was their horse furniture different to that used by other Russian generals?

Try starting here:

TMP link

No cuirasses, helmets, etc.; Russian Generals had a 'uniform' specific to their rank, and arm of service. From another forum, some illustrations from a recent discussion of a related topic here: link . See text details, with historical time-line, from Conrad's translation of Viskovatov are here: link Section VI on 'Generals'.

I just found this while I was looking at horse colours

Some nice pics of painted Russian generals

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Thx guys. Much of what you said was very useful

Greystreak. I'd be very interested in that Viskovatov Vol 6 section of Russian Generals, but the link appears broken, and the relevant volume (and anything pre-vol 7) does not appear on Mark Conrad's site.

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Cheers

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Works for me. Scroll down to Section VI; the Volume number is actually '17'.

Ah, thanks. That's 1801-onwards.

I actually need uniform info for 1796-1801 Russian General Staff uniforms. So close and yet so far…

Cheers

In the reign of Pavel I, the "regimental" generals (shefs and commanders) wore the regimental uniform with small distinctions. The "staff" generals wore a standard uniform per their arm of service.

Here is the Viskovatov, with text in English ….
Grenadiers, Musketeers, Jägers link
Cuirassiers, Dragoons, Hussars, Artillery, Engineers, Garrisons link
Guards, Cossacks, National Troops, Administration, Staff link
(You can search on the word "general" to skip along and see the parts specific to general officers.)

The illustration numbers in Mr. Conrad's translation are correct. You can find the illustrations by number looking at this version of the text in Russian ….
Grenadiers listat.ru/T07/T07_01a.htm
Musketeers listat.ru/T07/T07_02a.htm
Jäger listat.ru/T07/T07_02a.htm
Cuirassiers listat.ru/T08/T08_04.htm
Dragoons listat.ru/T08/T08_05.htm
Hussars listat.ru/T08/T08_06.htm
Artillery listat.ru/T08/T08_07.htm
Engineers listat.ru/T08/T08_08.htm
Garrisons listat.ru/T08/T08_09.htm
Others listat.ru/T09/T09_sod.htm ("рис" means "illus[tration]")

Colorizing the Viskovatov prints has been a cottage industry since the series was published over 150 years ago – only a handful were originally colored, for the Imperial family.

This is Google search for images google.com/imghp?
Try searching on "раскрашенные Висковатов" or "цветные Висковатов" (without the quotes).

@Seroga
Many thanks – very usefull.

Yes, many thanks for that. Cheers!

Googling for info on Russian Generals uniforms .. found this TMP thread of course, but also found this :

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Which includes some excellent portraits of well known personalities, in Napoleonic Russian General's uniforms.

eg:

Many more on the the link …. enjpy !

That portrait looks a LOT like Al Pacino!

D'oh!

Greystreak, you might be wrong. I've seen a portrait of Grand Duke Constantine, commander of Russian Imperial Guard Cavalry, wearing a helmet with all-white crest (along with a white, double breasted tunic), and I think Viskovatov will verify a regulation for all-white crests on the helmets of Generals. That implies, of course, that generals wore helmets.

But, hey. I could be wrong.

Exceptions for the Royal Family members have been known to happen for many nationalities, and wearing the uniform of your 'home' (Guards) regiment was not uncommon in Russian service (hence the helmet).

But by all means, blame me, if it makes you feel better, Bill.

Widowson- you're both right- though not for the reason Greystreak states.

It's actually more about the dual status that many Russian generals had of both being a general in the army AND the commander or Shef of a particular regiment. They wore different uniforms according to the role they were playing at the time.

So, if they were on active service at HQ or commanding brigades/divisions etc- they would wear their green faced red general staff uniform- as that was the duty they were performing.

If on the other hand they were performing regimental duty as commander/Shef (for example at a full dress review), they would wear an elaborated version of their regimental uniform- for eg with a white helmet crest for a general who was Shef of a Cuirassier Regt.

Some c19th illustrations indicate that generals who held rank in Hussar regts might have worn their Hussar uniform in combat- eg Kulnev, Dorokhov, but that's exceptional and not I think fully confirmed.