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jnmpoppie18 Nov 2011 10:43 p.m. PST

Does anyone have a good reference or painting guide for Russian Generals about 1812?

von Winterfeldt19 Nov 2011 12:57 a.m. PST

Marc Conards home page


Femeng2 Inactive Member19 Nov 2011 6:03 a.m. PST

After going through this myself, in general, Russian Generals wore the uniform of the Pulk (Regiment) of which they were colonel-in-chief. This is why horse accouterments varied. Again, in general, generals preferred the soft hat in lieu of bicorne. Never saw one in Kiwer.

von Winterfeldt19 Nov 2011 6:50 a.m. PST

I cannot agree with this at all, though they could wear a regimental uniform – there was a special generals uniform, see Conard's home page for example, in my opinion most Russian generals would wear the general uniform in 1812

Greystreak19 Nov 2011 7:36 a.m. PST

von Winterfeldt is correct, read the details of the specific "General's Uniform" development in Viskovatov (Mark Conrad translations) here, at Sections VI through IX: link . Note that Generals do not wear a 'gorget', their epaulettes are larger, more ornate than 'field' rank officers, their horse furniture and shabraques were different, and they were specifically forbidden to wear 'shako' (kiwer) headwear. (Bicorne or 'cap' with visor only.)

Some pictures by O.K. Pakhaev of Infantry and Cavalry Generals:



Olaf 0312 Sep 2012 5:22 a.m. PST

What color were Russian officer shabraques in 1812? I am specifically interested in Brigade, Divisional, and Corps level officers. Were they black as shown abover or were they dark green with gold trim?

DHautpol12 Sep 2012 5:55 a.m. PST

The one above is representing black fur and seems to be quite common for generals; however, not all manufacturers portray this type of schabraque.

The Osprey book seems to suggest that in about 1809 the line officers had green schabraques with gold lace with the Guard had red schabraques with gold lace.

Whilst the Russians had prescibed uniforms for generals from the SYW onwards I wonder if Paul might have encouraged the wearing of 'regimentals' as part of his 'Prussian' obsession?

Seroga Inactive Member12 Sep 2012 10:00 a.m. PST

26 January 1808 generals were given shabracks and pistol carriers of bear fur, with St. Andrew stars


Looks a little like the Russian President, around the eyes, no?

Chouan Inactive Member12 Sep 2012 12:10 p.m. PST

There are some good images of Russian Generals here , portraits painted of Russian Generals in 1812-15.

Druzhina13 Sep 2012 5:08 a.m. PST

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