"The Old Wargames Factory team are back!" Topic

This time under a new name defiancegames.com/index.php
As they say, you can't keep a good man down and Tony's back in the game ;-)

I thought everyone had realised that from this thread:

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Mike

Is there any actual evidence that the Tony of Defiance Games is the same as the Tony (ex Wargames Factory)? Could be just a coincidence?

Well, Howard Whitehouse is listed as the moderator for the forums…

Best of luck to 'em, says I. And I like what I am seeing so far.

will not give them my money
having been cheated and lied to once is enough

Looks like they won't be doing any Ancients or Historicals any longer – so unfortunately, not of interest to me. Sigh.

Peter C
Sword and Sandal Gaming Blog
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I like the bug

I'll wait for more historicals as well, whoever it is…

I'll pass.

"Back"?

They'll be back when they make some toys and you can give them money and they send stuff to you.

I wish them luck and everything, but really… they've got a picture on the net and they're 'back'?

I don't mean to sound churlish; but the amount of companies whose websites are full of design concepts and artwork and mission statments – but whose shelves are empty – is really starting to grip my colon.

All the best to them, anyhow. :)

It will be interesting to see if they go to China for their production this time or if they stay closer to home…

And where they'll get their financing from. Not China, I surmise.

and where they'll get their customers, if anyone will still believe them

We've made no announcements yet, because we want to have actual plastic goodies in our hands, all ready for sale, before we declare ourselves officially open for business. As some people have rightly mentioned, having images of models that aren't yet available isn't all that helpful for the customer.

We really feel for people like Pogoame, whose orders were completely messed up by the actions of our erstwhile colleagues. I spent most of December talking to customers whose orders from October were allegedly sent from China and mysteriously still in transit.

So our past experience has taught us that reliable delivery has to be a strong feature of any business. So, no, there will be no connection with China in any form whatsoever. All design and production will take place in New England. Everything will be within a van-drive from our facility at Triangle in Malden, working once again with the disabled workers there.

We'll be showing renders to allow the kind of community feedback we've come to consider part of our creative process, but we won't offer anything for sale until it's all packed up and ready to go out to customers.

Historicals? Seriously, can anyone who knows us imagine we won't do historicals?

Go and look at the works-in-progress at our also in-progress website: defiancegames.com

And before anyone asks, we will not be making Miiiice in Spaaaaaace.

Best of luck Tony, Howard and crew.

Good luck, MJS!

If I might plump for a line, how about plastic AWI focusing on militia or line troops (yes, there was a long discussion of this earlier--I'm not a button counter and would be happy to field cheap, if vaguely inaccurate figures).

Similarly, generic dark-age/medieval peasants would be helpful.

Good luck.

bob

I'm sure we all wish you success in your new venture.

When do the 28mm SYW plastics come out?

Interesting that I cannot open the Defiance site in China. All I get is a Made in the USA statement. I can open it with a proxy. I have nothing to do with any party in the dispute.

I would be interested in doing the survey and agree that more 18th Century would be nice. Add horses and guns and I would order a bunch. I always wanted to recreate Charles Grant's the Wargame and they would be ideal.

ML

Congratulations! Nay you have many happy returns (on investment)!

Are you going to be primarily Sci-Fi or will you walk down the road of Historicals again?

I hope this goes well for you guys Howard. I'm looking forward to seeing your new products!

Way to get back on the horse!

Well, it was either that or get jobs at Jiffy Lube. I'm not hip or edgy enough to get in at Starbucks.

Howard assures me that War of Jenkins Ear pygmy Horse Holders will be the first historicals they produce…. Though there is some dispute type of on coat lace that may push the release back!

On a more serious note…

Good news and good luck guys!

Joe Collins

Good luck, guys.

Best wishes for success but only interested in historicals.

Once bitten…..as they say. Nothing from me for any company that has Tony Reidy involved in it.
Cheated, ignored and then lied to by fan boy proxies, that was my one and only experience of dealing with him. Never again.

We'll start with Tony's 'Alien Suns' Sci Fi universe – gritty rather than shiny 23rd Century stuff, humans and alien. Sci Fi sells well, and a start-up company needs a few hits before we can get down to the business of Jenkins, his ear, and the kettle-drummers involved therewith. There's just the four of us and we are keeping it lean – no company retreats to Martinique this year – but we need to sell enough to make it a real, viable business.

We'll certainly do some form of customer involvement in projects, although (having processed 80% of the original Liberty and Union suggestions, some of which were very odd indeed) we'll probably point the bus in one direction and ask where people want to stop rather than let everyone take a turn at the wheel :)

RobH, you didn't complain when I sent you a free bunch of heads from my own stash of plastic bits, did you?

The problems you encountered were all part of the 'product not sent/product sent late/product stuck in customs' rigmarole that our former colleagues foisted on us. If you didn't get the information you needed, it was because we weren't free to gripe about what was going on at the delivery end. I am certainly never happy to have to deal with a customer whose very real complaint is the consequence of somebody in my own company's screw up several thousand miles away. That's a no-win situation.

So, I'm really sorry that you got caught in that (and I hope you finally get your merchandise, which may or may not be in Utah as I type). But a huge part of what we are doing now is to avoid exactly that kind of situation brewing again. We'll be using established businesses with great reputations for service for mail order, and avoid all that 'wait forever for the shipment, then take the baby seats out of the minivan to deliver parcels to the PO' stuff' that was such a problem with WF.

You know my email address. Contact me.

Good luck to you all!!

Liked the survey on your web page. And some of the choices.

Good luck with the new venture, can you tell us what will become of the existing figures from WF, especially the zombies and greatcoat troopers?

We are looking for door to door Comcast salesmen in the greater Wilkes Barre/Scranton metroplex…

So, Senor Squint, does this mean the Philippine Constabulary ski troops are back on?

And Mahdist Grenadier Guards?

Some one please tell me when I can get more WSS figs.

Blaming the Chinese only gets you so far.

Having not been screwed by WF I am more than willing to give them a try if they produce something I want.

@ Mexican Jack Squint

Will Defiance Games keep the "Shock Troopers" or are those gone with Wargames Factory´s "new" managment?
If they are gone, will Defience Games produce in the future some kind of "generic, german-looking, futuristic troopers"?
And, will there ever be "heavy weapons teams to these "generic, german-looking, futuristic troopers"?
I hope you can, at this point, answer this questions.
Also, I wish you good luck in your new project; It is very good to see the "Average Joe" standing again after being trampled by a giant.

RobH, you didn't complain when I sent you a free bunch of heads from my own stash of plastic bits, did you?

Nice dig Howard, I used to think better of you than that. Sending them foc was totally your choice not my request.

As you chose to mention it, I take it you see that being a fair exchange with the concious decision to take $150 USD of my money and resell my ordered/paid for goods openly at a wargame show? How much longer are you going to be the apologist?

The universe of Alien Suns certainly features such weird and improbable beings as "Germans". They'll be highly efficient, and no doubt have the sort of equipment that efficient soldiers of the future would be expected to have.

All kidding aside, the Shock Troopers are part of the old WF line. Sculptor Tim Barry is discussing some issues of rights with the current management, and might be open to completing the heavy weapons teams for the Shock Troops. I am not directly party to those negotiations.

We will be starting from scratch. We have a long list of interesting troops from the future, of which I especially enjoy the idea of Australian power armour with slouch hats and kangaroo-fists, and the giant anti-grav cowboy boots of the New Texas Rangers. Of course, sensible heads may overrule me there ---- :)

There will indeed be Germans.

Thanks for the kind words!

RobH, I sent you some little plastic bits. It was no big deal. People send me things quite often. I do the same. Who demands money for an international stamp, an envelope and a quarter ounce of plastic? It's part of the brotherhood of wargaming.

What I don't do when they send me little parcels of goodies is spend the next few weeks badmouthing the tiny companies that pay their wages.

I know you got a raw deal, and I am sorry it happened. But your constant choice to believe the worst of people is tiresome and unjustified. If you want to contact me directly, feel free to do so.

Well, I do wish them the best- they have had a rough history but I have no skin in the game either way.

-Will

Glad to hear Tony and Howard (minus Lonnie) will be up and running again soon. Best wishes.

Come on Howard! You are more than edgy enough for Starbucks. Jiffy Lube on the other hand is a whole different story. Too many ex-cons.

Remember that if you do end up at either of those or another equally draining retail job, customers don't have to roll for initative. Unless your working the drive-thru.

Glad to see you guys back in the game.

Titch

I've met Howard in person several times and I can attest that he'd probably fit in better at Margaritaville or Bubba Gump Shrimp Company over Starbucks.

Glad to here this news. I wish you all all the best. I do not do much SiFi gaming or "Alt" gaming but if you do something along the historical lines I will watch in ernest. All else fails howard I could use a hand on the railroad.
VR
James Mattes

I send Howard money regularly. He sends seriously neat things back. I recommend you send him money.

Looking forward to the new company's releases.

I talked to Howard the other day. He was very positive about new opportunities and name which would become public info in the near future.
So no surprise to me.
Best of luck to them. They both have experience enough to overcome the pitfalls thrown in front of them. As well ar to learn from them.

Man you go away for a couple of days and look what happens! Good luck guys, I'll certainly be on the look out for stuff in the future.

Glad to hear you and Tony are getting back on the horse, Howard. Looking forward to more goodies. Good luck to y'all.