| 50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick | 30 Nov 2010 8:33 p.m. PST |
I'm painting up some of the new Wargames Factory plastic figures, specifically I'm doing the Dutch Slangenburg regiment. The grenadier heads have the mitre cap with the floppy sock and tassle. I'm assuming the sock is in the facing color? And… what else? Is there a gold or metal band around the bottom of the mitre, like in the SYW? A brass plate in front? A different colored tassle? thanks in advance.
Sam |
| Flat Beer and Cold Pizza | 30 Nov 2010 9:35 p.m. PST |
According to Osprey's "Marlborough's Army" by Michael Barthorp Dutch Grenadiers wore blue caps (sides and back curled up) with brass front plate and an orange tassel. If you can get a hold of a copy, there's an illustration of one at the foot of the Dutch ensign in plate B2. Here are some Front Rank sculpts of Dutch grenadiers wearing the caps described in the book:
link Hope this helps. Cheers,
Tom |
| Jeroen72 | 01 Dec 2010 2:48 a.m. PST |
As usual things are somewhat more complicated ;) Here's a cap from the early 18th century without a brass front plate: picture picture And: picture |
 Dan Cyr  | 01 Dec 2010 5:43 a.m. PST |
Native Dutch or Scottish regiments in Dutch service? Or other non-Dutch regiments? Dan |
| Jeroen72 | 01 Dec 2010 5:53 a.m. PST |
The above pics?? Native Dutch fas as i know. The last one could be a dragoon cap though. Another example: link Regiment van Pallandt about 1715 |
| idontbelieveit | 01 Dec 2010 9:34 a.m. PST |
I didn't realize Pallandt's was a fabric cover. Makes my sloppy painting of it more believable. To me, at least. |
| 50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick | 01 Dec 2010 12:16 p.m. PST |
Hmm… Pachinko sez a blue cap with an orange tassle… But Jeroen's first picture shows an orange cap with a blue tassle… and his third picture shows what looks like a deep red cap with yellow or gold trim? Nice colors, at least. I'm starting to realize – to my pleasure – that I need to just stop asking these questions and do whatever the hell I like, because nobody really knows and nobody will criticize as long as it looks good! |
| Flat Beer and Cold Pizza | 01 Dec 2010 1:13 p.m. PST |
That's the beauty of this period. With few exceptions you can get away with quite a bit. Not a very good era for button counters to indulge in, for sure. |
| Jeroen72 | 01 Dec 2010 1:23 p.m. PST |
The first mitre has a red front, a red band around the back of the mitre and the little red flap. Decoration in all in yellow, with a brass grenade. On the scroll there's "pro patria et libertate" On the little flap there's "Riemersma", maybe the name of the officer commanding the compagnie. The red band around the back is decorated with yellow and blue, the grenade is black and the flame is yellow. The floppy bag at the back is blue with (again) yellow decoration. The color of the tassle is rather vague but has a hint of orange. The lower mitre ( 3rd pic) is much simpler. Basicly three colors are used: blue,red and white. The genade on the front could be grey, but it could be faded black. Decoration is all white as is the scroll which reads : "Wassenaer" It could be a dragoons's mitre but there's also the possibilty it's the mitre of the "lijfcompagnie" Hollandsche Gardes though this is doubted as the decorations are rather simple. Hopes this helps a bit ;) |
| Shagnasty | 01 Dec 2010 2:46 p.m. PST |
Wassenaer was a line Infantry regiment. The dragoons wore tricornes or floppy bags with fur surrounds. |
| seneffe | 01 Dec 2010 4:26 p.m. PST |
Shagnasty- from 1711-1733 there was indeed a Dragoon Regiment called 'Wassenaer'. It was a Walloon unit which then became 'de Mattha' and served at Fontenoy etc in the WAS.
Around the first couple of decades of the c18th- when the style of cap illustrated by Jeroen was in fashion- I believe the regt had a Horse Grenadier company. I would bet on it being from Wassenaer's Dragoons. The cap in the Marlborough Osprey mentioned by Pachinko was in fact that worn by the Infantry Regt Friesheim (blue facing colour) – although the description of the plate suggests it was a pattern common to all regts. Certainly not the case, as we have seen in other posts above. |
| Graf Bretlach | 01 Dec 2010 4:32 p.m. PST |
Regiment dragonders Wassenaer link |
| Flat Beer and Cold Pizza | 01 Dec 2010 4:48 p.m. PST |
"The cap in the Marlborough Osprey mentioned by Pachinko was in fact that worn by the Infantry Regt Friesheim (blue facing colour) – although the description of the plate suggests it was a pattern common to all regts. Certainly not the case, as we have seen in other posts above." Yet another reason why I love this period: there's always something new to learn. Now we come to learn that there just might have been some French grenadier mitres at this time:
TMP link Incidentally (and slightly off topic, begging your pardon), where can I find more info on the Dutch army during this period? Cheers,
Tom |
| Jeroen72 | 02 Dec 2010 2:51 a.m. PST |
From the De Wilde collection of which some is online: link |
| Chad47 | 02 Dec 2010 6:36 a.m. PST |
From memeory there was a series of articles in Miniature Wargames some years ago covering the Dutch Army of the late 17th Century. As i recall there was no generic colour combination or even style. The cd from Baccus covering the same period also carries a few illustrations. The cd is well worth buying IMHO Chad |
| yarr68 | 02 Dec 2010 8:44 a.m. PST |
Wow!! The De Wilde collection, what a great site, thanks Jeron72 |
| Jeroen72 | 02 Dec 2010 9:16 a.m. PST |
Well, not all of the collection unfortunately…. It's the site of the Dutch Armymuseum and there's only a small part of the collection online, like the pics above. There's still a lot of work to do ;) |
's motivation to paint Napoleonic ships returns!
