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Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 9:11 a.m. PST

I searched TMP but could not pin down a proper query in the search engine for my question so please forgive any redundancy. I am looking for a "Battle in a Box" or comparable type product that would allow me to build a small Iraqi or West African dessert village? Any suggestions would be appreciated. The FOW buildings are solid, therefore don't allow for interior deployment of troops which is key for our game.

Thanks
John

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 9:17 a.m. PST

"small Iraqi or West African dessert village"

Not sure I understand what you're after. What do you consider "West Africa"? What region do you think might have architecture similar to Iraq?

I won't ask how sweet food comes into it…

Allen

Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 9:28 a.m. PST

I don't really care about the specifics. And yes I realize that the two styles of structures are in many instances very very different. So for sake of argument, let us just assume I mean an Iraqi/Afghan town, with the some potential for crossover. We are gamers', a little flexibility has to be incorporated into our hobby.

Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 9:30 a.m. PST

"I won't ask how sweet food comes into it…"

Explain please.

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 9:31 a.m. PST

"I don't really care about the specifics."

OK, then.

Allen

Buzzard Keeper14 Mar 2010 9:32 a.m. PST

John,

I would think the Kerr & King Desert City in a Box kerrandking.co.uk would be ideal for Middle East / North Africa.

I think West African terrain would be pretty different though.

Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 9:33 a.m. PST

Agreed on the West Africa…Bad choice of regions.

Thanks

Buzzard Keeper14 Mar 2010 9:33 a.m. PST

John,

Allen is commenting on the fact that you put Dessert rather than Desert.

Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 9:42 a.m. PST

Ah, that clears things a bit : )

Spell check does not make up for general stupidity or lack of proof reading.

Thanks

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 10:09 a.m. PST

Oh, really: it's just me, KB? Look, when people ask questions, it's just a little bit important that there's an attempt to employ a common language. And if specifics don't matter, then any old thing will do: you can use generic mud huts, wigwams, skyscrapers, whatever.

Here's an Afghan village:

picture

Is that really desert? What kind of desert? Does *anyone* make a commercial 15mm village that comes close to that architecture? They're flat roofs, but not "open" and usable as in the Middle East (this is Ashdod in Israel, a modern equivalent of the gamer's stereotypical "Middle Eastern" architecture):

picture

Here's a Helmand Province village:

picture

Definitely more arid, mostly open rooftops.

Nuristan:

picture

Not down in the valley like Wanat; but very different from the two above.

Again, Nuristan, a close-up:

picture

Anybody make anything like that?

Now Iraqi villages; different terrain from much of Afghanistan; different desert. It's flat, mostly. You're likely to find examples much closer to the gamer's stereotypical "Middle Eastern" structures.

picture

Still some flat overhanging roofs that we don't see in many models. Heck, look at that guy's entire blog entry titled "Fertile Euphrates Farm Land near Ramanna" here (scroll down):

johnsonmatel.com/blog1/2008/09

And of course, you can look at a wide variety of examples in individual troop, unit, and even reporter blogs from both Iraq and Afghanistan. My point is: there isn't all that much that's truly in common--besides basic box shapes--between even Iraq and Afghanistan. Throw in variations in terrain in both places, or history (how old is the village, and when was it last rebuilt?), and there simply is no "one size fits all" solution.

Now… do I have a set of Crescent Root 15mm generic "North Africa' buildings? Yep. Do I have a set of Kerr & King generic "North Africa" buildings? Yep. Do I have some additional structures from J&R? Yep. Would I use any or (most) all of them for a Tunisian WWII game? Yep. For the Second Afghan War? Yep. For Iraq in 1914 or again in 1940? Yep. For Mexico and the French Intervention? You betcha.

Why? Because that's pretty much all there is, apart from the OOP Battlefront/GF9 set. To get regional and local details right would require scratchbuilding, and there never seems to be enough time for that.

So, a generic answer: Crescent Root, once Mark gets back into full production: initially, he wasn't doing removable roofs, but I *think* that right before he shut down to move, he was making some buildings with them. Mine don't have them. Kerr & King: theirs are good, and those sort of buildings aren't examples of the things they seem to have IP problems with. Most of mine have removable/interchangeable roofs.

Allen

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 10:14 a.m. PST

I'm not jumping on you specifically, ijumpajav; there have been too many simple transpositions or misspellings or homonym confusions here on TMP this morning (oh, yes: I make them, too!), and for various reasons, I was just feeling too much like Peter Finch in "Network":

YouTube link

My apologies for being snippy.

Allen

Stepman314 Mar 2010 11:12 a.m. PST

Check out "JR Miniatures" also Battle Front does a generic North Africa box that we use in most of our games set in the middle east…As far a spelling…this is wargaming and playing with little toy soldiers. Don't be discouraged with the English Lesson. Oh yeah, If I spelled anything wrong or didn't use the right tense or verb or noun or dangeling participle…I don't care.

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 11:24 a.m. PST

OK, the Battlefront set *isn't* OOP; it had dropped off their Web site for a while.

Allen

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut14 Mar 2010 2:00 p.m. PST

If you go to DriveThruRPG and search "Desert Village" and "Desert Fortress" you will find some downloadable "print and assemble" kits that can be rescaled to 15mm (resize or print at 60%.) Good generic middle east and north africa stuff.

Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 2:12 p.m. PST

I believe the battlefront buildings are solid, by that I mean the roofs do not come off. Is that correct?

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Mar 2010 2:14 p.m. PST

Check out PaperTerrain

paperterrain.com

Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 3:11 p.m. PST

Would someone please share their opinion on the quality of Kerr and King buildings as compared to those offered by JR. Miniatures buildings?

Thanks

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 3:32 p.m. PST

Kerr & King are clean, sharply modeled buildings which rarely show air bubbles.

Allen

Cacique Caribe14 Mar 2010 4:25 p.m. PST
Ijumpajav14 Mar 2010 4:26 p.m. PST

Allen,
That's great, I just placed a sizeable order. Thanks for the input.

aecurtis Fezian14 Mar 2010 6:49 p.m. PST

I hope you'll be pleased with them. When I ordered my set, they came quite quickly. They're well detailed, so careful painting will reap rewards.

Allen

(Jake Collins of NZ 2)14 Mar 2010 11:30 p.m. PST

Very happy with my K&K desert city in a box. Better value for money, IMHO, than the FOW/Battlefront version.

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