"What IF We Discovered Alien Squatters On Far Side Of MOON?" Topic

I was watching "The Universe: Space Wars" when the thought came to me . . .

They don't ask us if they can move in. We didn't even know they had a huge colony there, on the far side of the Moon, and have been there for almost a century, since they were forced to leave their dying star.

But we feel invaded. If they have done that without our knowledge, what else are we unaware of? Some say that they have also moved into Antarctica, and other parts of the world that aren't very hospitable to us, setting up giant networks of tunnels.

And, now that we have discovered them, they look as though they are the ones facing an invasion.

So … how far would our paranoia take us on this road? Would it be a good gaming scenario?

Dan
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If they have fled a dying star, they could have high tech but few numbers, which could make them a tempting target for militarist nations in space, they could be the new scapegoats, alien menace from beyond the stars (with shiny new toys we want and we HAVE to get it before the other expansionist military nations of earth). I could even be a multisided battle with the humans fighting each other over who gets the shiny new toys fom the soon to be dead aliens hands. Humans could even just claim that they have invaded antartica, justifing us whooping them on the moon….

Phil

Isn't this the premise for Captain Scarlet? only on Mars?

Nuke them from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

Scary aliens in tunnel networks sounds a lot like Them or The Year of the Angry Rabbit.

Same Nuke solution as above, except nukes didn't work in TYotAR.

But we feel invaded. If they have done that without our knowledge, what else are we unaware of? Some say that they have also moved into Antarctica, and other parts of the world that aren't very hospitable to us, setting up giant networks of tunnels.
And, now that we have discovered them, they look as though they are the ones facing an invasion.
So … how far would our paranoia take us on this road? Would it be a good gaming scenario?

How far can be summoned up in two words: "David Icke"

So … how far would our paranoia take us on this road? Would it be a good gaming scenario?

Considering they could have chosen from dozens of other celestial bodies in the Solar System but 'just happened' to choose the moon, I'd consider the paranoia well justified!

As for a good gaming scenario, depends on the tech differential, but yea, it should be as good as any other 'humans vs alien invaders' scenario. Even if in this case it's the humans doing the invading.

The hard part of course is that if this happened now, we aren't really in a good position to create a space-military to fight them. The best we could probably manage would be slinging nukes at them on modified BDB's. They also hold the high ground, and could drop rocks on us pretty easily if we get annoying. If it came to war then we'd have the impetus to start developing the gear we needed to fight it, but I expect that it would take decades to actually reach the point where we could attack them in any meaningful way.

-Will

Wminsing,

You'll like this then:

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Dan

You'll like this then:

LOL- love it! A setting where it's the peaceful alien society being attacked/infiltrated by humans in search of technological secrets would be an interesting take on the subject.

-Will

But we wouldn't have to travel too far to do the invading. Fate would have brought the poor victims to us. :)

Dan
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Murph,

LOL. That Icke guy really believes some weird stuff!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Dan

Hmmmmm….now that you mention it… how is that chap's name PRONOUNCED….(is that ONOMATOPOEIA or an OXYMORON in his case????) Inquiring bartentacles want to know…

It's obvious he doesn't take HIMSELF seriously…isn't it?
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Which is a more 'effective' CONSPIRACY/Theory:

Telling the absolute truth, but telling it in such an unconvincing way or by someone NO-BODY would really believe or take 'seriously'…

OR:

Telling something absolutely UNTRUE, but so convincingly, so factually plausible with lots of expert opinions, probabilities, alternate examples and leaving it 'open' for folks to 'decide for themselves'…(which convinces them you're only providing the 'facts'…not the conclusions!) that they 'fall for it'.

Two types of 'lies' ya know…'Damn Lies' and 'Statistics'

Bwah-hah-ha!

And CC, if we've got the TECH (since '62 to read a liscense plate or newspaper from ORBIT)…howcome the images of the 'strange things'…whether on Earth, Moon/farside or Mars…ALL look so 'grainy'/distorted/amateurish…worse than my Aunt's dog pictures taken with a polaroid in cloudy weather????

Something is 'not right' about all that!

Slish!
Sgt DWW-btod

that would explain why they dropped/fired a rocket into the moon last year. maybe they were not looking for water, but a underground base. if they hit a underground base it would explain why there was not the expected big dust plume. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Makes you go HUMmmmmmm? :)

Of course they're there, and the government has known about it all along. Why do you think they had Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landings while he was filming 2001: A Space Odyssey? Hey, I read it on the internet, so that makes it true! Don't believe me? Why do you think Obama canceled all future moon missions. HE'S ONE OF THEM I TELL YOU!!!!

Hey, who's that at the door? Just a minute, someone wants to speak with me…..

You would have to wonder at the common sense of a race with the technological capability to come from a distant star to colonize the moon, but after coming so far, they stop trivially short of a far nicer planet with a lot more resources.

Obviously the government is keeping the true nature of the moon and its many resources a secret to avoid a Moon Rush.

Cold Steel,

Perhaps they believe that, with great power comes great responsibility … or some such nonsense.

Dan

Or maybe they ran out of gas and had to push their ships to the nearest rock?

If these aliens could survive on the dark side of the moon then I would say more power to them…lets open up the discussion table and see what can be gained from interaction.

If they could get there, build a colony, and survive then their tech is much higher and if they chose to we would be screwed anyway.

Cold Steel,

Here on Earth, we have higher gravity, a denser atmosphere, oxygen, water vapor, significantly reduced cosmic radiation, and any number of other things that could make aliens very uncomfortable, or play havoc with their technology. Maybe Earth just isn't that nice from their point of view.

You are missing the obvious. The aliens control the high end of the gravity well. All the aliens have to do is 'drop rocks' on us poor low tech earthers and they can fend of most any invasion.

[Alien 1 turns to Alien 2]

"It sounds like he's onto us. Should I power up the orbital railgun?"

"No… let's see where this goes first."

We'd charge them rent and make them pay taxes …

Cacique, toy need to be looking into the UFO truth movement, specifically the photo equipment technician who was fixing things at NASA when a freaked out guy there started to show him photos of an alien base that been photographed on the far side of the moon…. scary stuff. I'll try to find you a link.

Taxes? That'll help with the National Debt and Health Care Reform!

Especially if they have technology to make Health Care obsolete …

Hey we have US Space troopers. I know we must since I saw them in Moonraker. They must be even more advanced now, right? Anyone………………………Sure is quiet in here all of a sudden.

For a preface, see Argentina and the Falklands, or Hugo Chavez, Aruba, and the Dutch.

British, and Dutch, respectively, are the illegal aliens.

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58 mins but the whole thing is essential viewing :)

Under the Hometead Act of 1862, if they have never borne arms against United States, seek US citizenship, spend 5 years there, establish a residence of at least 12 feet by 14 feet and improve the land they can apply for ownership of the land.

So they're NOT squatters; they are Homesteaders.

If you don't believe US law prevails on the moon, anyone else plant a flag there?

OMG! They're a new voting block!

(You wanna see NASA's budget skyrocket, just float that possibility in front of the politicians. The race to get up there to "secure the lunar vote" would exceed lightspeed.)

They're likely different from us therefore nuke em, just to be sure.

Maybe NASA could land a "quit or pay rent" court order on the moon.

If you don't believe US law prevails on the moon, anyone else plant a flag there?

I believe there's treaties saying otherwise. The Russians got there before you, in any case.

"Squatters" is an interesting choice of phrase – it implies they have no right to be there.

I hope they taste like chicken.

I hope they taste like chicken.

Just as long as they don't smell like them.

I just realized, we have a talking dog in here….
Mutant, or alien spy?????????????????????????????????
I'm just asking…

He's just an Andalusian.

Maybe we should send hybrid constructs of them, under control of human operators. We could use these to infiltrate their society and convince them to move…..oh wait didn't somebody already try that?

"Kinda like the choice of taking your super-duper custom made Winnebago out into the middle of nowhere in the Gobi desert to live"

To be honest, I'd not mind that.

G^is,
JohnG

"Squatters" is an interesting choice of phrase – it implies they have no right to be there.

Actually, according to the same treaty that prohibits the US (or anyone else) from claiming the Moon, they would not have a right to be there. The Moon is treated as a 'common heritage of mankind', which means it can't be claimed by an individual organization (which the aliens would be), and 'mankind' implies 'human kind' (which the aliens are, by definition, not).

-Will

Just don't let them know we know they are there…

Who said they were organised?

Also if they have been there more than 75 years or so they would predate the UN, hence the 'no one owns it' treaties.

Given the United States is the product of an illegal proto-Marxist uprising perhaps assuming anything about a debt to the US may be pushing it.

If they came from another system and have been there for 100 years, I don't really see any way we could dislodge them from there. The most we could do seeing that they haven't openly attacked us is treat them as a new world or in this case a solar system power. The first nation to make peace with them and open trade will benefit greatly from this. And then after a few years of this then it will get ugly.

"The first nation to make peace with them and open trade will benefit greatly from this. And then after a few years of this then it will get ugly."

Good point.

Dan

Okay let me get this straight! We're talking about a race of aliens that traveled from some far away place with HIGH TECH ships and built this huge underground colony with HIGH TECH equipment and tools and remain hidden from us all this time using HIGH TECH means, and some of you want to "Kick their A%# !" clearly some of us haven't thought this fully through yet, sounds like an old black and white cowboy and Indian movie and we're going to playing the part of the Indians.
Sounds to me like the best bet would be for us, the U.S. that is. Is to make friend real quick learn their HIGH TECH manufacturing technics and so forth so that were can go and kick someone else's butt sounds to me like a much better plan!

LOL!!!

Dan

I would give what Fox News would say, but that way DH'ing lays.

Nuke them from orbit…or send in the marines..or both..wait that didn't turn out good..

Maybe some security contractors..

I love this quote.

Zapp Brannigan: "Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream; to kill him so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things."
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Dan

Just wondering if that 'searching for ice' story about dropping a nuke was something else, perhaps a first strike maneuver.

LOL.

Dan