"How About A Set Of Splintered Light 15mm Werewolves?" Topic

Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, I can't find those anywhere on their site. All I've found are the "Were-Goblins" (in the Goblinoid section):

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QUESTION:

Any chance we can entice Splintered Light Miniatures to do a set of unarmed and unarmored werewolves in a series of poses (if female, just make those slightly smaller, no breasts please), for use in modern, SF, Pulp, Horror and Fantasy settings?

With poses like these:

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So, what do you guys say? Would that appeal to you?

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The second pic is terrific. Do you know Bernie Wrightson's work?
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I like the idea but wonder if they should have tattered clothing on some – especially torn pants?

Andrew
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Rebel minis makes a set of werewolves (formerly THW minis) that I have somewhere in the lead pile. At the time, they reminded me of the Dog Soldiers weres.

Thanks for the pictures. Those are awesome. I reckon they would work if I added them to the undead line. No promises but I am definitely intrigued in having them done.
David

Check out the Beserker

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Blacksmith, those illustrations are amazing. Never seen them before. Thanks for posting them.

Tima113, those Rebel Minis werewolves are awesome. I absolutely love them. The problem is that there are only two poses and one of them has female breasts (nothing against boobs – in women). :) Now, if Rebel Mike were to expand his range, that would solve everything, and I wouldn't bug David about it.

Tabletopwarrior, thanks. However, the Berserker would not do in modern settings with all his medieval accessories. I think "bare" werewolves in dynamic poses would work best to cross-sell among all the enthusiasts in the modern, Pulp, SF, Horror and Fantasy genres. Increases David's potential for sales, I think.

Andrew, the same problem arises with any tattered clothing remains. It could turn some buyers away, simply because one or two of the poses doesn't quite go with their genre or period. The higher the potential of sales, the higher the probability of the product getting made. As you can see in all the links Blacksmith and I provided, I think there are lots and lots of interesting poses possible to keep the set from looking boring in the least. I'm sure that if the set proves it's worth in sales, David would likely consider the possibility of a second set with various "accessories". He seems to be a very reasonable guy. :)

David, please do consider it. I think it would be a definite hot seller as long as there are plenty of poses, and as long as they are "bare" (to avoid any period-specific or genre-specific issues that might prevent purchases). Thanks so much!!!

Dan

Those do look really good!

I can't resist, here is a link to a great web comic with some nice werewolf type critters and a lot of other interesting stuff. It's also a Western . . . . . .

zudacomics.com/high_moon

Jeff

I have seen a thread or two before where folks we looking for 15mm werewolves. So you might be onto something.

Ever think of asking Ed from Two Hour Wargames who sculpted his and hiring him to do a line? Once the greens exist, you could post them here, build up some excitement then sell them off to somebody who already has casting equipment and a store front.

It isn't like you haven't done this sort of thing. You sculpted those awesome stone age tents and somebody scooped them up and produces them now and the whole world gets to throw your genius down on the game table and enjoy it.

Build it and the line will come.

LLC aka Ron

I did the Two Hour Wargames/ Rebel Minis werewolves.

Rod

Rod,

They are exactly the right style! I really, really love them.

Are there plans to produce additional poses in the not-too-distant future???

Thanks!

Dan

I would do some if everyone PROMISED to pronounce the word "werewolf" the way that actress does in the MST3K movie "Werewolf.". She says kinda "wahrwolf.".

She's the same actress that says "this is ebsolutely fascinatink."

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I don't know of any plans to make more. I'm not adverse to sculpting more. I quite enjoyed doing those and the hunter that went with them.

Rod

Khurasan, are you serious? I'll say it any way you want me to!

Rob, that would be absolutely fantastic! Hope Rebel Mike contacts you about making more.

Dan

Ooh, that clip I provided doesn't work. Here's a better one.

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More like "Weh-woof". Very appropriate.

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I most definitely wouldn't mind a few 'classic horror' werewolves in 15-20mm size!

I know, Iron Mike.

Whether it is Splintered Light, Khurasan, or and addition/expansion of Rebel Minis' line, SOMEONE must fill the void and make multiple poses of some cool and "bare" werewolves!

There's just too many awesome poses possible to choose from to pass it up.

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Well, keep in mind that every pose increases the cost of the pack. If I am making them at, let's say, $100 USD a pose, two poses costs me $200 USD but four poses will cost twice that. Let's add $100 USD for misc costs, so two poses cost me $300, four poses cost $500. USD

Ok, now factor in metal costs. Let's say the castings cost .25 and I am charging .75 so I make .50 on each casting. The line will earn out at 600 sold with two poses, 1,000 castings at four poses. So you can see there's a big diff in terms of breaking even.

So the question of the evening is, are you more likely to sell 600 werewolves at two poses, or 1000 at four? Indeed, how many 15mm werewolves will you sell at all?

Of course people might be willing to buy more if there are more poses, but then again, maybe not. I can see why the originator of that pack of werewolves went for two poses -- how many people really need more than two? Are people fielding werewolf battalions? Werewolf armies? Maybe, but I'd think that werewolves are rare and powerful creatures you might game with one of, maybe two.

So you see this is the kind of stuff you think of when you commission sculptors to make models. I had a guy write me when I released the nikephorian byzantines and he said, where is the fire siphoneer? You must make one! Problem is, I explained to him, it'd cost me, let's say, $120 USD to commission (that's a made-up number but in the range for 15s) and you can have ONE fire siphoneer in the DBMM list (NONE at all in the more popular FoG!!!). So I'd need to sell around 250 of them to break even, and remember people who are buying them are buying one!

That said I hope that you get what you're looking for, and I hope someone out there makes them and sells real well with them. Just writing in to explain why sometimes, as far as manufacturers are concerned, even two poses is a lot.

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Khurasan: "how many people really need more than two? Are people fielding werewolf battalions? Werewolf armies? Maybe, but I'd think that werewolves are rare and powerful creatures you might game with one of, maybe two."

Think in terms of Vampires vs Lycans! Gotta have quite a few for that. Plus, all the Weird WWII gamers will buy loads.

So, I think 4 more poses would do it. Maybe a pack with 8 (two of each)?

What do the rest of you guys think?

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There's also the question whether people like the Hollywood/comic book werewolf, basically a guy in a suit, or the more traditional werewolf, which is on all fours with no tail. I actually prefer the latter (as in An American Werewolf in London).

Do people play Weird War II in 15mm? Not much available for it. I think that's done almost completely in 28mm.

Khurasan,

Who do you think would be inclined to buy them? Which genre(s) or group(s)?

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"There's also the question whether people like the Hollywood/comic book werewolf, basically a guy in a suit, or the more traditional werewolf, which is on all fours with no tail. I actually prefer the latter (as in An American Werewolf in London)."

I don't know, but kinda like the type of werewolves in the all the links of the first post.

They'd fit well with these modern-day ones:

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As well as these medieval ones:

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Though there are loads and loads of other gaming possibilities:

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I don't know, but kinda like the type of werewolves in the all the links of the first post.

Ok, I'd asked so other people might chime in to tell their preference. I think your vote is already for the bipedal werewolf.

One interesting thing about traditional (quadrupedal) WW is that they can plausibly be used as fast troop types (cavalry types) in mass battle rules like HOTT. Bipedal WW might be a bit faster but not fast enough to qualify as "Beasts" in HOTT.

atb
khurasanminiatures.tripod.com

In the "for what it's worth" column, Two Hour Wargames 5150 rules have army lists for two different were-wolfy species. A lot of folks, like me, might be lookin' to play their games in 15mm, and so werewolves would be eminently useful.

They would to me.

Just my thought.

Tim

Thanks for the support, Tim!

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I'd like to see something like this one in 28 mm I painted:
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Definitely, a blister with 6 werewolves, with 2 females (smaller than males and with no boobs), 3 males and 1 big alpha male.

Blacksmith: "Definitely, a blister with 6 werewolves, with 2 females (smaller than males and with no boobs), 3 males and 1 big alpha male."

Now we're talkin'! That would be a great 15mm set.

I like that photo a lot, by the way.

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Blacksmith's right about that being a good distribution, in my opinion.

Tim

I am sure there's a large demand.

Any werewolf packs (werewolf packs? LOL) Rebel Minis, Khurasan and/or Splintered Light make would definitely sell, provided there's sufficient variety and if they were generic enough (bare) to fit any of a number of genres.

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QUESTION:

Does anyone know if Animal Planet's "Werewolves: The Dark Survivors" is expected to be any good?

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Or is it terrible, like their awful "Lost Tapes" show?

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I have some of the werewolfs from Rebel Minis they are some great figures. Mike was talking at one time of doing more of them. I also have the wolfens from what use tobe Thane's games they are great. But wouldnt work to well for model day werewolf cause of the weapons and the type of clothes they are wearing.

I hope Mike makes the additions. I love the ones he has done already. More poses without weapons would be so sweet!

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