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Terry37 Inactive Member11 Aug 2008 2:43 a.m. PST

A friend posted this question on another forum and I am also interested in the answer, my being a big fan of the post 1813 Hanoverians. Can anyone help us with it?

"Does anyone out there have a good representation of the Hanover Hoya Battalion flag? I know it's black with fringe on a blue staff, and that one side has a sword and a wreath, but my question is about the other side with the large iron cross. Is the motto "Furs Gott und Vaterland" just written horizontally on one line within the cross. Is there any other graphic element inside the cross? Is the cross shaded or solid white?"

Thanks,

Terry

Camcleod11 Aug 2008 7:25 a.m. PST

See the following pages:

TMP link
The above is a previous discussion about the known Hanoverian standards – especially the posting by Steven H Smith from a flag booklet.

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Item 1 deals with the flag for Hoya.

Cliff

photocrinch11 Aug 2008 7:36 a.m. PST

Camcleod,

Yes I'm familiar with that discusion, but the German article just says that the motto is within the iron cross. I've seen a very tiny representation of the flag and I think the motto is just written horizontally along the center of the cross, but I think there may be a graphic element within the upper bar of the cross as well. I was also interested to know if the cross is solid white or shaded. The Osprey book is of no help, as it focuses on the opposite side of the flag, which has a sword and wreath motif. The aforementioned article says that the flag is still in existence in a museum in Hanover, but the museum given has either changed names or ceased to exist (mind you my German is quite elementary, so reading german google results is a challenge for me), so I have not been able to write to the museum either. Thanks for the help,

David

Steven H Smith Inactive Member11 Aug 2008 8:15 a.m. PST

Try

Bomann-Museum
Schlo▀platz 7
29221 Celle


+49 (0) 5141 / 12372
+49 (0) 5141 / 12535


bomann-museum@celle.de
bomann-museum.de

photocrinch11 Aug 2008 10:15 a.m. PST

Email sent to the museum. My German was too weak to compose the question in German, so I just introduced myself and apologized for my language challenges in German, and then composed my question in English. I hope it reaches someone who speaks English Well. Keep your fingers crossed for me.

David

dogsbollox Inactive Member12 Aug 2008 3:47 p.m. PST

you could try using google translate which would give them a help

photocrinch13 Aug 2008 7:52 a.m. PST

We'll I've certainly given my German a workout, but I did hear back from the museum. Herr Stainau tells me the flag was sold at auction in 2005, and he no longer knows where it is. He then referenced a description of the flag which is the same one linked above. Oh well. Unless someone wants to go through Sotheby's auction records to find it, I'll just use the description above as a guide.

Thanks for all your efforts,

David

Camcleod13 Aug 2008 10:59 a.m. PST

David

Holy S%^$
Thanks for the point in the right direction.
See the following Sotheby's auctions:

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Flag of Hoya Bn.

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Flag of Calenberg BN.

And a bunch of other British and Hanoverian flags on this page and others:
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This is too good to be true !!!
Are these all real ???
Why would they sell them ???

Cliff

photocrinch13 Aug 2008 11:14 a.m. PST

Well I'll be hornswagled! Of course I spent the morning painting the flag the way the Osprey book showed it and the way it was shown in one of the flag decals linked above, both of which got it wrong. I like this design better so I guess I'll be repainting tonight. Thanks for finding these. I had no idea Sotheby's records would be so accessible. That is wonderful news!

David

Steven H Smith Inactive Member13 Aug 2008 9:33 p.m. PST

Cliff,

"… so they can set up a fund to maintain the 130-room family castle -- Marienburg. "

see:

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NY Times article:

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The auction itself:

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photocrinch14 Aug 2008 9:42 a.m. PST

Thanks for that Steven. That kind of completes the picture and makes me feel much more confidant that those are indeed the original flags.

I got the Hoya flag painted and mounted last night. With any luck I'll post some pictures this weekend.

David

Defiant Inactive Member22 Aug 2008 7:26 p.m. PST
EagleSixFive Inactive Member23 Aug 2008 6:05 a.m. PST

Cliff
The links no longer work. can anyone email me the photos please?

demigamer2001ATyahooDOTcom

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