"Hanoverian Flags At Waterloo?" Topic

Has anyone ever seen an actual picture of a Hanoverian line infantry or landwehr regiment for the Waterloo campaign? I have not and I'm stumped by what to do for my wargame units. Should I just not have flags on the Hanoverian units? It seems like they would have had some kind of flag, maybe something with the white Hanoverain Horse symbol. Who knows?

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Alte Fritz,

Have the Perrys caused you to get into the Waterloo campaign? They've done it to me.

Dannie

"Have the Perrys caused you to get into the Waterloo campaign? "

Absolutely. It is too hard to resist. I'm thinking of starting all over with my 1815 Napoleonics and going totally Perrys.

AF,

Agreed. It looks like the Perrys are going the Quatre Bras route for a while. The workbench has generals from the 2 Corps and I understand that the first French cavalry will be line chasseurs and lancers. With that, one will have all the French, Dutch-Belgians and Nassauers one would need to do Quatre Bras, up to the arrival of the British and Hanoverians.

To help with the actual enquiry, yes Hanoverian units did carry a standard. Signifer do a quite acceptable set of 4 flags in 25mm for Hoya, Calenberg and Gifhorn battalions plus an unidentified unit.

Yep, I've also given in to the Perry 1815 range. Gorgeous figures, best around at any scale IMHO!! As the 1815 range is being touted as 'comprehensive', the Hanoverian contingent and of course the Brits and hopefully the Prussians dmust be in the pipeline. I can't wait!!

My plan is also to go totally Perry, but I will sneak a unit or ten of thier Foundry Naps in as well.

By the time the 200th anniversary roles around, there should be some huge games going off all over the place. I can paint around 150-200 figs a year, should be able to do something with that.

Good luck and enjoy!!

My Waterloo armies began with old Heritage/Custom Cast/Empire true 15s.

The Hanoverian flags were yellow with various devices in the center, the white running horse being one of them. I can't, offhand, think of a source for you.

Did the Hanoverian regiments have different facing colors? I'm wondering if maybe the flag is in the facing color with a red circle and the white horse of Hanover in the center?

I'll have to get the Signifier flags and paint my regiments as those units.

Flags And Standards of the Napoleonic Wars, Keith Over, Bivouac Books, London (also Sky Press, New York), 1976 — has a little info on Hanoverian flags from 1813. They were individual regimental design, with only a few known examples as of this publication, all 3 of these are shown on the link from Ataulfo above.

The white flag with the red circle (and
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in the middle), and the white horse in the red circle on the other side belongs to an unknown regiment.

The white flag with the green wreaths and writing on each side is the Calenberg Rgt.

The black flag with the white sword in a wreath, and the iron cross on the other side is Feldbataillon Hoya. With a blue staff and white fringe.

Additionally, some details are known for Landwehr Bataillon Giforn — yellow flag with a central oak tree crowned by the leaping horse (facing the fly), both in silver; below was an inscription ending in 'Gifhorn'. Blue staff w/ yellow tasels. This may have been presented to the unit after 1815 though.

I am doing Waterloo in 1:20 and have just bought the whole Orange Nassau regiment from Perrys about 50 figs or close to it. I also have a number of Brunswick and some Dutch.

A rough count gave me 1500 painted so far only another 2500 or so to go. It has taken ten years so far and the majority are Front Rank, but I am now a convert…..let alone starting the French.

I plan to be at Waterloo for the 200th anniversary and wild horses couldnt keep me away. I plan to have finished the ALlied side by the anniversary.

Vive la Waterloo..

Colin

Alte Fritz

The Hanoverians were for the most part in red with blue facings, tho two had yellow, two green and one black,
and the lights were in green with black facings.
See the Waterloo Allies Yahoo site
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The known flags don't seem to form any consistant pattern for the line or landwehr regts.
An option, tho PURE SPECULATION would be to base the flags on the present city coats of arms. These would give them a nice variety of colors and emblems.

Cliff

There was a series of articles on the Hanoverian flags in the German Zeitschrift fur Heereskunde in the 1930s. Rather earlier than my period (1866), but I can look up the reference if anyone wants. Other German states of the Napoleonic period have been covered by Ewald Fiebig's Unsterbliche Treue, also from the 1930s. But since Hanover became part of Prussia in 1866 it disappeared from flag history to a certain extent.
Stuart Sutherland

Stuart

Please do. Any more info on the Hanoverian troops would be much appreciated.

Cliff

Hanoverian uniforms (as per Uniforms of Waterloo in Colour by Philip Haythornthwaite):
Luneburg Btn = light infantry in dark green Rifles uniforms with black facings without the white piping of Br. Rifles.
Grubenhagan Btn = ditto
Laurenburg Btn = not given (not engaged in combat)
Calenburg Btn = ditto
Bremen Btn = line infantry; Belgic shakos, red coats, dark blue facings
Verden Btn = line infantry; Belgic shakos, red coats, bright green facings
all LW btns = line infantry; stove-pipe shakos, red coats, dark blue facings.

I have painted all the Hannovian Army for the 100 days and Waterloo, and the flags. But I cannot remember the title, talk to Dave at Caliver.

Cliff,
The reference you want is Ottfried Neubecker, :Die Fahnen und Standarten der Armee des Koenigreichs Hannover," Zeitschrift fur Heereskunde (Berlin), 1934, 42-46 and 92-97. The flags are of the provisional battalions and of the Landwehr, and there are illustrations. Hope that this helps.
Stuart

Stuart

Do you have access to this book ?
Any chance of posting scans of the relavent pages ???
Thanks much for the reference.

Cliff

Enclosed, a copy of the requested article. I only copied the pre-1820 section.

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Note: 'Click' on the lower right corner to enlarge.

Unsurprisingly, the links are no longer working. Does anyone have any current links to this article?

Or does anyone have any other information on these flags and standards?

To be fair, 12 years have passed. When I tried the links I only got my own postings on that forum.

Your best bet? Open a new topic. Folk here can be incredibly helpful…you only have to ask in a sensible fashion.

Do not be hesitant in posting something like this…you may be surprised (OK the result might be a couple swapping insults and both in the DH…but that ain't your problem)

Allan

I hope this link works – I had them on Photobucket and have just tried ImageShack:

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I included the 8 page Hanoverian Flag article originally supplied by Steven Smith and a few pics of two surviving flags of the Marienburg collection.

Cliff

All

***** Just realised the original thread was 12 years old so probably missed the boat here, but the sentiment still applies!!!******

Not meaning to highjack a thread but i've just taken part in a very large Waterloo project which will be coming to an end in May.

I have a number of painted Perry units, including the Orange-Nassau Regiment and the entire Brunswick Corps which i'll be looking to sell around that time. The units are large – on average 30 figures each, Brunswick Hussars are about 60 figures strong.

If this is something anyone would be interested in then let me know – if not and you want to paint your own figures from scratch no problem.

Regards,

J

@Cliff

I have just tried your link and it simply invites me to sign up to Imageshack, which I have done. What do I do next?
If you have access to the images and don't mind you could email them directly to me at allanDOTmountfordAToutlookDOTcom
Thanks for your help.

Allan

Camcleod, you have given the wrong link.

This is just to the site itself, not to your own images.

Following this took me to my own albums. To anyone not a member it will say welcome please join up.

Imageshack had a huge problem after a cyberattack, but I now find them excellent. Just go to your own images….or just to the album you want to share and copy the address top of screen

How about this??
I just signed on with Imageshack so I'm not sure what works :(

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Perfect. Always nice to post some images directly and then create a link for the rest, as you did.

Thanks!

Good that it works :)

In case you don't know, the black flag is the Hoya Field Bn.
and the yellow one (originally white)is one side of the Calenberg Field Bn.
These were sold at the auction of the Marienberg Military Collection in about 2005. Not sure where they ended up.

Thanks for your efforts Cliff!

Well done!

Excellent, thanks for posting the links and photos guys.