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Supreme Dalek26 Sep 2007 5:27 a.m. PST

I have just heard from a London-based trsder that SELWG has been cancelled!

Can anybody confirm this? Nothing on the SELWG web site yet…

Germy Bugger Fezian26 Sep 2007 5:34 a.m. PST

Not heard that.
On the 22nd September one of the SELWG team was posting details of the show here?
TMP link

Dave T26 Sep 2007 5:46 a.m. PST

Asbestos in the roof apparently…….

Germy Bugger Fezian26 Sep 2007 5:48 a.m. PST

Bleeped text!

Black Cat Bases26 Sep 2007 5:51 a.m. PST

Yes we have just heard too, its a real shame!

legatushedlius26 Sep 2007 5:53 a.m. PST


Supreme Dalek26 Sep 2007 5:55 a.m. PST

Does this have any health implicatins for any previous users of the venue then?

Erm, seems strange… Maybe the venue owners have decided to close earlier for the 2012 refurbishments, and have found a good excuse for doing so!

Supreme Dalek26 Sep 2007 5:56 a.m. PST

What is a shame it the fact that the poor trader's pocket will be hit again… hopefully though, more punters will attend Warfare :)

Germy Bugger Fezian26 Sep 2007 5:56 a.m. PST

Yeah just found a press article confirming it :(
They are saying it was due to close for refurbishment until June 2008 so no chance of moving it to another date either.

The Hobbybox26 Sep 2007 5:59 a.m. PST

I just called Crystal Palace itself and they confirm that it is cancelled.
Planned refurbishment of the building, due to start in November, was brought forward, forcing cancellation of the show.
Cancellation occurred yesterday.

Black Hat Miniatures26 Sep 2007 6:14 a.m. PST

The trade coordinator has sent out cancellation notices today, giving the reason and is contacting all traders.

It's s shame and leaves a hole in my trade show schedule (and cashflow!) for October…


iainb1326 Sep 2007 6:17 a.m. PST


It is with profound regret that South East London Wargames Group (SELWG) announce that the SELWG Show, scheduled to take place on Sunday 21st October 2007 at the Crystal Palace National Sports Centre in London, is herby cancelled.

This is due to the fact that asbestos has been found in the roof area of the main hall and the building has been closed for health and safety reasons.

We have tried to identify other areas within the centre that we could have used to allow the Show to still be held. Unfortunately there are no other suitable areas and we very reluctantly have to acknowledge that our Show will not be able to take place.

argsilverson26 Sep 2007 6:23 a.m. PST



The Hobbybox26 Sep 2007 6:26 a.m. PST

Looking at it a different way, if you're going to be in London anyway, why not go to some of the historic locations round the town, Tower of London maybe?

argsilverson26 Sep 2007 6:35 a.m. PST

Thanks for the suggestion.
I have already been 25 times in London. I have already planned to do some further excursions like Stonehedge for example, [hope the weather willhelp us] but I lost one excursion to Egypt to attend SELWG. Isn't it a pity?

The Hobbybox26 Sep 2007 6:38 a.m. PST

If you're going to do Stonehenge then you might want to stop off at Avebury as well, quite a nice little walk there, and a good pub.

Captain Clegg26 Sep 2007 6:42 a.m. PST

I haven't got my notice yet, but I have been on the GLL website
And quote "We would like to apologise for the inconvenience of the sudden closures of some facilities at CPNSC. The closure was initially planned for November, and was brought forward as a precautionary measure following the discovery of asbestos during a pre-inspection of the building.
Visitors to CPNSC can be assured that all air samples taken show no dangerous levels of asbestos to be present.
Please be advised that the 50m Pool, Teaching Pool, Diving Pool, Arena, North Balcony, Rascals and Squash Courts are now closed until June 2008. The 4m mechanical and electrical project funded by the London" and" Please note SELWG will not be taking place at Crystal Palace in 2007."

So I guess that is that, let's hope Warfare can make up for missing this one.

royaleddy26 Sep 2007 6:42 a.m. PST

this news puts a rather potent brace of torpedoes into the midships of my winter wargaming plans!

Red358426 Sep 2007 7:17 a.m. PST

Bleeped text

Red358426 Sep 2007 7:18 a.m. PST

oh..ok…that last one rhymed with rugger

Grizwald26 Sep 2007 7:21 a.m. PST

I seem to remember that a previous SELWG was cancelled for a very similar (or even the same) reason?

Timmo uk26 Sep 2007 7:30 a.m. PST

When's Warfare?

Germy Bugger Fezian26 Sep 2007 7:42 a.m. PST

November link

Stevus26 Sep 2007 8:04 a.m. PST

I realise its not the South London Warlords fault but is there any news for people who bought Advance tickets ?

will CPNSC or SLW's be giving refunds ?

Not a lot of money i know but i hate paying for something i don't get…..

Grizwald26 Sep 2007 8:32 a.m. PST

"I realise its not the South London Warlords fault"

It certainly is't – its not their show! South East London Wargames Group (SELWG) run the show known as, er … SELWG.

cherrypicker26 Sep 2007 8:46 a.m. PST


Just spoke to the organiser and they did try another option but due to the good old Brittish weather it was a no go.

Lets hope it's back on next year as it is a great show.

NOw this means I have to do some work in the new house :-(


Supercilius Maximus26 Sep 2007 8:48 a.m. PST

Wow, a public building put up in the 1960s contains asbestos – what WERE the odds!

And after 40+ years it has suddenly become a hazard because…….???????

The Hobbybox26 Sep 2007 8:52 a.m. PST

Supercillius Maximus,
I suspect that the reason it's suddenly an issue is that some of the reports on the closure stated that it was a routine inspection.
I know many places that have asbestos can still function, provided that the asbestos hasn't started to deteriorate. If it has, then they have to close the place.
If the inspection turned up some deterioration, over and above what they may have expected, then that would explain the sudden closure.

Supercilius Maximus26 Sep 2007 9:29 a.m. PST

Thanks. Having worked with people in the building industry for a few years I'd always been told that asbestos really only became dangerous when you started to remove it (which I assumed was not the case here, since the place was still being used).

geraard van heusden26 Sep 2007 9:43 a.m. PST

thank god there's Crisis 07 at Antwerp, Belgium

WillieB Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2007 9:44 a.m. PST

Really sorry to hear that SELWG is cancelled. One of the best UK shows IMHO.
Well , let's hope they will be back next year.I would surely miss this event.

And now hope we can still get a refund from Eurotunnel….

Ivan the Reasonable26 Sep 2007 9:58 a.m. PST

argsilverperson,I wouldn,t bother with Stonehenge, rather spend your time doing IWM Lambeth and or Duxford or the Nat.Army Mus. in London, maybe Portsmouth for the Warrior,Victory and the Mary Rose? just buy a postcard of Stonehenge! Regards Ivan.

Patrick R26 Sep 2007 10:55 a.m. PST

SELWG cancelled ?


paulkit26 Sep 2007 11:32 a.m. PST

I'd always been told that asbestos really only became dangerous when you started to remove it

Correct. I suspect the roof needed some repair work, which leads to "Ah, it's got asbestos. If you're going to do that, you'll need to remove/replace the lot"

(In disguise under Paul's ID)

Frontline Tim26 Sep 2007 11:59 a.m. PST

Got the phone call earlier, was banking on this one as I'm still waiting to get into Warfare.

GoodBye26 Sep 2007 3:08 p.m. PST

We just had asbestos covered water pipes removed from the basement. As long as it's sound and not flaking it's fine, as soon as it starts to flake or is abrated and fibers can get loose it has to be removed!

It's a very interesting and costly process. They have to completely secure the facility, maintain a slight vacume on the work spaces, and ensure that no particulate escapes.

I'm sorry to hear SELWG was cancelled but the hosting venue did the right thing if the asbestos has started to flake.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP26 Sep 2007 3:22 p.m. PST

Fiasco is on in Leeds the following weekend – at the Royal Armouries too. I know it is a bit far north for you southerners but it should be a good do and maybe a few more traders will now be making the trip north.

Tony H

altfritz26 Sep 2007 5:17 p.m. PST

We just had a course on Asbestos at my workplace a few months back. The fibres are microscopic and if you come down with an Asbestos related disease you are pretty much guaranteed dead, within a few months in some cases. In Canada, legislation comes into effect this year, I believe, which strictly defines how it can be removed. There are three levels: facemask, facemask with air and full moon suits and an enclosure. From what I can recall the level of contamination to go from level 1 to level 3 didn't seem to be that much. According to the consultant it's often in homes as well as commercial/public buildings and is still being used for some products.

Jeremy Sutcliffe27 Sep 2007 1:05 a.m. PST

"Fiasco is on in Leeds the following weekend at the Royal Armouries too. I know it is a bit far north for you southerners but it should be a good do and maybe a few more traders will now be making the trip north."

An interesting speculation that had ceossed my mind too, although I'm not sure what extra capacity could be whistled up at short notice.

ChrisSELWG27 Sep 2007 1:08 a.m. PST

Gentlemen and Ladies
I am the Show Organiser for SELWG and I can unfortunately confirm that the SELWG Show ofr 2007 scheduled to take place at Crystal Palace in London on Sunday 21st October IS CANCELLED.
This is entirely due to the fact that asbestos has been found in the roof of the building we hold the Show in and that building is now closed. We had tried to find alternative accommodation within the Crystal Palace complex but this has not been possible. So as of late Tuesday afternoon we reached to ineviatable conclusion that the Show would have to be cancelled.


To any Traders that I have still not spoken to, as of 0900 on Thursday morning, I am sorry you found out via this medium rather than from me personally. I shall be contacting you all as soon as is possible. All moneis paid by the Traders to SELWG for Trade Stands will be refunded in full.

Can I also take the opportunity to thank everyone who has supported and visited our Show during the past 30 plus years.

Crystal palace will now be shut till June 2008 at the earliest, so we can make no comment at this time on a SELWG Show for 2008.
Chris McNeil
SELWG Show Organiser

ChrisSELWG27 Sep 2007 1:15 a.m. PST

I should also point out that we did not sell any advance tickets for the Show, mainly becasue we only recieved them from the printers last Thusday, so no member of the public has paid any money to SELWG or Crystal Palace.

Chris McNeil
SELWG Show Organiser

scbday Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Sep 2007 1:54 a.m. PST

Hi Chris,

No problem with the notification method, I'm sure you had 1001 things to try and sort out at short notice.

It's just a shame that after all the hard work that both yourself and the SELWG team will have put into organising the show it had to be cancelled at the last minute due to circumstances well beyond your control.

Here's hoping that SELWG 2008 can go ahead.
We'll be there if you'll have us ;-)

Simon & Sue
Total System Scenic

Timmo uk27 Sep 2007 2:35 a.m. PST


Thanks for all the SELWGS which have been great in the past, here's hoping for 2008.

Red358427 Sep 2007 3:41 a.m. PST

Having had asbestos removed from a couple of work plasces which I've managed I can confirm it's a tricky and time consuming process to get it all out and keep the site contamination free…as this was in small to medium sized buildings I hate to think what it would be like to remove the stuff from Crystal Palace!

And as someone who has had a relative die from mesothelioma caused by asbestos fibers I can confirm it's a horrible way to go [not that there's a good way I guess] – if there is any risk of the asbestos becoming loose or fibres breaking free then complete removal is really the only option they would have.

A real shame…SELWG is always a great show…here's hoping for 2008!

Arrigo27 Sep 2007 7:28 a.m. PST

mhmm I am in london… and SELWG got cancelled… this year I will miss both in italhy and SELWG… I hope nothing will interfere with Salute in 2008.


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