"Naughty Girl Being Spanked By Headmaster" Topic

Unless it's troops liberating girl's private school run by sadomasochists.

I expect we'll be seeing that scenario run at cons soon enough, now that there's minis out for it. :)

Grenada, anyone?

The fat legs, the blotchy face, the lumpy nose, the dyed black hair.. It's Britney Spears!

"The fat legs, the blotchy face, the lumpy nose, the dyed black hair.. It's Britney Spears!"

ROFLMAO!!!

link

Better picture of the so-called 'Britney" ad: link

Still…

All said and done it does make wargamers look like a bunch of freaks…

Why not vote on it. No more stupid articles on badly sculpted badly painted rubbish?

…badly sculpted badly painted rubbish…

Why trash someone else's good efforts? Isn't that discourteous at best?

Yes, Bill, its borderline dawghousing in my opinion, especially when the person isnt here to defend themselves(are they?).

I think badly sculpted and badly painted rubbish could apply to alot of things. Its just an opinion. This isnt the golden demon site, we can enjoy stuff without being too critical of it. This is why so many people buy minis and never paint them, getting trashed by people, probably with an agenda. Any effort is better than none at all, the person could have opted for a computer game or worse yet painted in China with lead paint minis.

The moral majority(minority?) hate this fig so any excuse will do.

In finishing TMP is not a democracy, we dont vote on Bills decisions here. Its his board and while I'm sure he listens to what we say, its ultimately his decision on how to run things.

Why don't we just vote on who's allowed to comment?

the Editor 29 Jan 2008 11:43 a.m. PST
Grenada, anyone?

Nothing like that anywhere in Grenada that I saw. Then again I crashed on the first day.
VR
James Mattes

"Why don't you just make models of a priest ? Please tell me the difference?"

If you don't know the difference between a suggestive pose and explicit porno, there is no use trying to explain it. That remark, though, could be interpreted as a deeply disturbed, if unconscious, issue. Pedophilia? That's a bit of a stretch.

Now I want to back up, and request TMP the right to show suggestive, but not explicit (no need to rush kids into what they are normally drawn to-not talking about pedophilia, but sex in general), miniatures. I am for warnings to sensitive viewers, but the schoolgirl (who looks adult-like) model is practically innocent by comparison with almost anything else of the same bent. Good work to the editor for not caving in to the people with real problems that would like us all to be paranoid and repressed, waiting to stir up a witch hunt at the first opportunity.

Like you can't see worst (or better depending on your point of view), that is of explicit or suggested sexual content, on any prime time network channel, newspaper or general website. Have you seen just about any magna comic? I am not complaining about this, although using sex to sell unrelated products, like cars for instance, seems a bit sleazy.

ScurjvoGawd, very good points and well said. I keep coming back to this post because outrage over an obscure toy that will be seen by only a very small niche group in the scheme of things is a waste of time.

Outrage should be directed at the girls being abused like domestic animals in countries like Pakistan and Iran. There were two really awful news articles about this recently. If you feel so strongly about this pick your fights better.
I personally if given the choice would go to these countries and fight to the death to change things than
whine about a 1" tall lead sculpt.

Save it people, stuffs happening in the world past your painting table. Save your anger for real pain, not a few laughs over Benny Hill humor, which you probably laughed like hell at when it was considered cool.

Rogcollectibles
I am glad someone else remembers back in the day. The "viewpoint" (meaning media content) has not shifted so much as warped. In most cases the change has been for the better, conditions are more equitable to women and minorities, generally, than they were. Back in the sixties, it was James Bond, Playboy magazine, rock star role models. The mentality viewing women as dispensable conquest was certainly present as I recall. Women rightfully joined in the struggle for equal rights.

Why don't we just vote on who's allowed to comment?

You miss the point. I'm simply saying that you can express an opinion without being disrespectful of your fellow hobbyists.

of your fellow hobbyists.

I don't consider anyone with sexual fantasies expressed through miniatures a fellow hobbyist. I am a wargamer. This crap isn't anything even remotely related.

Oh, I think you're wrong, Tim. To the general public its all the same. Sure maybe the headmaster set would get an extra eyeroll but the general public doesnt even know we exist or care. To them its all the same.

Anyway some people express sexual fantasies thru everything.
You must be one of the lynch mob that wants to throw every pervert in the same pot and boil them-the girls gone wild guy is just as bad as David Westerfield under this logic.

Its because of thinking like this that no real decent laws are passed to protect children. Alberto Gonzales hired a special prosecutor to do nothing but go after Girls gone wild. How in the hell does that help kids. Or protesting a miniature, although you have every right to do so.

Why not go hunt down cp sites if it will make you feel better, do some real good, unless you are in Canada, you cant do that there ;)

I'm not trying to attack anyone for their feelings and beliefs, I'm just trying to make the point that people with strong feelings toward helping children could find better ways to help out. Let the little stuff go-no pun intended.

I created a 2 person neighborhood watch, thats how I help out. So far we've saved a few kitties, but you never know which molester may have moved on after probing eyes followed him down the street? Surely there is something like that people can do.

If it still bugs you after that, boycott Amazon, if it makes you feel better.

Outsiders are a little more discerning than what you dismiss as I've discovered at various open hobby shows where I've run demo tables for the public.

You must be one of the lynch mob that wants to throw every pervert in the same pot and boil them-the girls gone wild guy

No I'm not. That's the purvey of my prudish neighbours who are unable to deal with the fact that god made sex a pleasureable activity – he WANTS us to our brains out and enjoy it, otherwise, sex would be as painful as putting a hand in a fire.

What I do object to is your rationalization for whatever reason – presumeably , otherwise why else would you be so upset at my and others embarrassment at this sort of thing – as to why this fantasy crap should be "part of the hobby". It's not for me, nor of anyone else's view of WARGAMING I know of.

This has nothing to do with helping children – I've already done my part in repealing a standard court practice in the 80s that left me to watch helplessly in court as the smirking bastard who raped my 6 year old and 3 others was allowed to walk because the judge felt the young children could not distinguish between "promising versus swearing to tell the truth". A year after this, Ontario dropped this requirement, though it was of no help in our case.

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the issue of child protection, unless you object to our objection to the fantasies this sort of miniature represents to outsiders.

This is not about child protection. My issue with this is that wargamers are into armies fighting each other. Historical or fantasy or sci fi armies. may well be interesting to some, but those folks should do it somewhere else and not around us.

BTW, thank you for responding. I picked up a number of stifles from this topic which doesn't bother me in the least becasue I figure those who did are s anyway and not fellow hobbyists. I am glad I don't have to think of you in that sense because your posts elsewhere are intelligent and interesting to read.

IMO the miniature page is not just for wargamers but miniature collectors of all kind within reason. If it was called the wargaming site I could see your point.

"I am glad I don't have to think of you in that sense because your posts elsewhere are intelligent and interesting to read."

Thank you for the kind words but alluding to what you are is like a threat to me. If my opinion differs from yours are you going to point at me like Donald Sutherland and scream the p word? Is nothing less than total agreement acceptable? This is my problem with the whole issue. That and it is not B&W. This stupid miniature fantasy has nothing to do with the p word hysteria sweeping america.
In fact it is more funny than it is sexual. A caracature if you will.

It disturbs me that you are so willing to call anyone a pedophile. A man who looks at a college age or close girl is not a pedophile, imo. My point is that people are so incensed by the word that they are including everyone in this. An interest in older teen girls is common in most men whether they will agree to it or not. Acting on it is another matter, if its illegal you dont. MOst people with common sense know that.

Pedophilia. Throwing that word around is as dangerous as McCarthyism. Does it not matter that a witch hunter killed a 19 year old who was on an offender list for having a relationship with a 16-17 year old? Good for him? This is the danger we create with hysteria.

Why am I so interested, because I see a thoughtless witch hunt that isnt going to solve the real problems. In fact it will mask them. Also it borders on freedom of speech issues.
Which I am very interested in. Without getting into CA topics you can see the same hysteria involving terrorists and anti muslim sentiment. A with us or against us attitude.

I know you are closer to this issue than I am, but maybe thats why I feel a need to speak up. As an outsider, I can objectively see hysteria ruling the day not decent thoughtful ideas and laws that will solve the real problem.

People rail against stuff like girls gone wild while not even bothering to check the predator registery to find that the wolf is really next door.

"I picked up a number of stifles from this topic which doesn't bother me in the least becasue I figure those who did are s anyway and not fellow hobbyists."

This type of thinking isnt helpful to your cause or opinions. You dont know this about them, how could you?
All I ask is that you see the gray area.

The whole idea here is protect the innocent, kids and adults alike. I dont want to get stoned by a mob someday because I bought a stupid little miniature, lol!

Again this is just part of the hysteria and paranoia welling up in america from too much media sensationalism,
in general I mean, not you, Tim. Its probably gotten to the point of a CA issue than a miniature one.

Maybe too, I care a little bit more than you think, I just see it a different way. I see different shades of gray.

IMO the miniature page is not just for wargamers but miniature collectors of all kind within reason. If it was called the wargaming site I could see your point.

Ummm, I suggest you read the side bar on the front page, which says:

Welcome to The Miniatures Page, the home of miniature 
wargaming on the Internet. A "wargaming miniature" is a scale 
replica of a soldier or vehicle intended for use in a game.

It has read that for many, many years.

I can understand the gray area you talk about, but spanking school girls, japanese school girl drawings and other sexual fantasy stuff that is paraded here frequently is as far from the above hobby description as it would be from bird watching.

Take a look at the quoted description of TMP, above, and if someone can associate such subjects with wargaming then you may as well start posting adverts for Claudia the Sado-Masochist figure on the bird watching forums.

I can assure you that such articles do indeed paint an impression of the hobby to non-hobbyists, especially those non-hobbyists who have expressed interest in it who are directed to this page.

I find this interesting:

As an outsider, I can objectively see hysteria

What on earth are you doing here on TMP then?

AS far as the sidebar quote, you know that much of the material here doesnt fit that description. There are section on rpgs which are technically not wargames, painting articles which are technically not wargames and
sections for cats, food, tv and politics.

"As an outsider, I can objectively see hysteria"

Who are you, Bill O'Reilly? Chopping up quotes to fit your little joke is wrong.

I said, "As an outsider, I can objectively see hysteria ruling the day not decent thoughtful ideas and laws that will solve the real problem."

You know the real reason I keep coming back to this is that it is silly to get upset about this miniature, just plain silly.

That and the fact that you are calling follow members
s and s based on their opinion of said miniature. This borders on a dawghousing imo, its name calling and very bad namecalling I might add.

I guess I can let slide the big issues, maybe . Okay thats fine. But going nuts over a miniature? I find the whole thing hard to grasp and I look for answers in my arguments.

"As an outsider, I can objectively see hysteria"

Who are you, Bill O'Reilly? Chopping up quotes to fit your little joke is wrong.

Your whole sentence, even clarified above still gives the impression that you are an outsider to wargaming.

So I ask again, what are you doing here?

This borders on a dawghousing imo, its name calling and very bad namecalling I might add.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

You're making all kinds of side arguments as to why your sexual fantasy miniatures should be allowed on TMP and how they are relevant to wargaming. When faced with the site's mission statment or whatever, you waffle on other things to do your best to justify your school girl fantasy miniatures as being part of a hobby that involves fighting battles in miniature.

The best was your justification for what is a major problem today in many large cities, the exploitation of young underage teenage women as prostitutes: "An interest in older teen girls is common in most men whether they will agree to it or not."

WRT roleplaying, anyone over 40 remembers that RPGs have always been considered along side wargaming. You're really stretching it when you say painting articles are not wargames.

I quote again:

Welcome to The Miniatures Page, the home of miniature 
wargaming on the Internet. A "wargaming miniature" is a scale 
replica of a soldier or vehicle intended for use in a game.

That seems to preclude people's s.

You're sounding so much like someone in a trial arguing that sexual fantasies with young children should be allowed to be portrayed in books and on the internet.

Then throwing strictly US things like "the moral majority" is sickeningly typical, unfortunately, of many of the political commentators I see south of our border.

But going nuts over a miniature?

I'm not going nuts over a miniature. If people want to have miniatures as representations of their sexual fantasies, then I'm not here to restrict people's thinking. But I do object to something like this being portrayed as part of the wargaming hobby on a widely visited site that is often offered as a link of interest on many sites.

I have very large numbers of people look at my own web site who are not wargamers and contact me or comment on usenet to compliment what they see as art. Surely TMP must therefore have proportionately larger numbers of such visitors.

And what a great view of the hobby of miniature wargaming your sexual school girl fantasy must have given!

Well clearly you cannot argue this without condemning someone. Your whole arguement is based on you are with us or against us. That probably bothers me more than anything.

Again you are flawed in assuming it is MY fantasy. I am not personally big on the school girl thing, I'm just defending its right to be. If I was it wouldnt be a big deal anyway. But then you probably would find devils in everything else edgy that I like so there is no point is wasting time on this conversation.

BTW I really dont give a whole damn of what a jaded society lead by lemmings by the media thinks of miniatures I like anyway. Companies like Shadow forge, Eureka and Hasslefree are flourishing, selling risque female figures you wouldnt much like.

Again your arguments are pretty thin when you assume things like saying I am not into wargaming. I have 6 historical, fantasy and SF armies.

I cant discuss an issue with someone who cannot present facts other than assumptions and finger pointing.

The miniatures industries output has historically contained women in scanty clothing, if any, and in captive or sexually suggestive poses. Its mostly a boys club, remember. No, that does not bring our hobby to the ideal height of intelligent awareness, but why is it alright to have death and destruction and every other miniature (including most female miniatures) sporting arms and armor. This is the miniatures page, not the War Only page. Although I am a "history buff," I was originally attracted to the miniatures through fantasy (to be exact, Mini-Figs Conan and LotR likeness rip offs)-and, remember all those Frazetta Conan covers? Near naked babes is part of this scene. Politically correct or not. And I want to remind those with issues about the professor and school girl, that sexual content is over prevalent in every media. I find it odd that no one is complaining about all the implied blood, guts and killing in almost every other image, but at the implied sexual play.

The miniatures being discussed here are suggestive, harmless in my opinion but evidently offensive to some, and perhaps for good reason, trauma really does effect people. So I think we could pay attention to those who are complaining. On the other hand, if you want to avoid sexuality, go to a site where they don't display what you consider controversial subject matter. Start your own non-sexual, war and killing only, miniatures site. Like Batman's nemesis, Two Face, I am of two minds here.

what rogzombie and mario zecca wrote. personally, i don't find the subject matter particularly interesting, either …

HOWEVER:

my question would be who has so far complained about the "mandatory" decapitated head in the hands of barbarian type minis with the same fervor that they attack this figure set? who has objected to all the sick gore and violence fantasies manifested in so many sculpts out there? oh well.

So this came up in the sidebar of another post. NSFW? Certainly didn't get the option to refuse it.

Literally cannot believe the outrage over a photo of miniatures that simply depicts two adults playing.

And since when has this been purely a historical wargaming site?

Some real arrogance and 19th century attitudes here.

Where can you get these miniatures? Is Amazon miniatures still in biz?