"Naughty Girl Being Spanked By Headmaster" Topic

Trying to bring the spector of a child being raped into the picture to add weight to your argument is nothing less than despicable. Child molestation of any sort is a horrible, unforgivable crime, but the only thing you've done is trivialize it in an effort to make a point.

Or..the person posting is honestly relating a visceral response and revealing a personal tragedy to explain how truly offended they are at the imagery and what they feel it represents. That is far from a trivial point.

And I thought the CA was rough…….

Where are the cookies and unicorns?

Trying to bring the spector of a child being raped into the picture to add weight to your argument is nothing less than despicable.

Then I hope you don't experience such a trauma as a parent.

I have. And any issue that is even vaguely related to brings such experiences to the fore.

But you read my post and knew that and chose to behave like a ed up , anyway. Talking about trivializing a legitimate reaction.

As Goldwyrm says (Thanks, G), I find any of the related articles Bill likes to post here very offensive. For precisely the reasons Goldwyrm mentions.

Look, you, and whoever else, may well get off on these types of miniatures and images, but recall that in most countries nowadays, is illegal. If you want to get off on this stuff, then do it, but please do it on a site where the stated mission is not "the home of miniature wargaming on the Internet".

Murphy's current topic makes me think there's something seriously ed up with Bill's sense of "proper behaviour" or at least it's very inconsistent.

Truly awful figures and a subject that is at best tacky.

That said, there is a filter and I'm not exactly mortally offended, merely a bit taken aback by the shear bad taste. In the broader scheme, this is just a minor brush with the purile right up there with the great 'panty explosion' brouha.

With all the great work being done right now by all kinds of miniature and terrain companies, I would have hoped that the front page could display something better than tacky fishing weights.

I have to agree with Tim. I do not think this should have been an article at all. I feel that it is bad taste and I am glad I am not a paying member.

Brian

"With all the great work being done right now by all kinds of miniature and terrain companies, I would have hoped that the front page could display something better than tacky fishing weights."

My thoughts exactly. Well done, sir.

Goodbye,Mr.Chips!(Soory,but I had too…)

I don't like the figure sculpts or the paint jobs; as for the subject matter, I agree with TMPer McKinstry and supporters.

The figs were ugly. The paint jobs not great but they had a poor fig to start with. The subject matter should not have been showcased and could have come with a warning label for those likely to be offended. I do find it amusing that nipples get covered up on lead figures but a fantasy of a spanking is allowed. I know that the Hasslefree Athena was covered up despite being a beautiful fig.

I do think it goes a little overboard to bring in child molestation regarding the fig and subject matter. We don't bring up Sado-masochism and bondage when seeing figs of men and women in stocks and on the rack.

Well I think they are bad figure sculpts and subject matter I'm not interested in and bad paint job …

ArrOOoo!

I don't think anyone is demanding it be completely removed, just that it doesn't belong on the front page. A link to it, like most of the other news items would be good enough.

Too bad if those who want to look at it have to click once to find it. The rest of us might not think it should be necessary to engage an adult filter on a family friendly website.

IIRC someone once told of a Vietnam wargame he organized and a vet suddenly burst into tears because of the memories. Tim's disgust is quite understandable. That said, is it necessary to draw a line to what can be showed and what not ? I am sure that certain figures (for instance modern soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan) can instill strong emotions too, but that should not be a reason to ban them. Censorship is ALWAYS wrong. Freedom of speech means to be able to say literally anything (and to show literally anything). But it also means that things we do not want to hear or to see can be put before a judge in court. Only in this independent way a balance can be created.

Bill next time add this :

TMP complies with 18 U.S.C. § 2257, and its regulations. All models that appear in any visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct (as that term is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2256) appearing or otherwise contained in this website were at least eighteen years old at the time of the creation of such depictions.
The owners and operators of this website are not the primary producer (as that term is defined in 28 C.F.R. § 75.1(c)(2)) of any of the visual content contained in this website. However, TMP may have copies of a record of the ages of those persons portrayed in any sexually explicit materials on this site. TMP WILL NOT RELEASE THESE RECORDS TO ANYONE OTHER THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATE, OR HIS DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE, OR AS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY OPERATION OF LAW.

In fulfilling its obligations under 18 U.S.C. § 2257, TMP relies on the plain language of the statute and on the well-reasoned decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Sundance Associates, Inc. v. Reno, 139 F.3d 804, 808 (10th Cir 1998), which held that entities which have no role in the "hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation" of the models or performers, are exempt from the record-keeping requirements of 18 U.S.C. § 2257.

Now this is THE MINIATURES PAGE :

NOT ONLY WARGAMES

on top of that what is sexual about a girl being spanked by a headmaster? LOL except if it is one of your fantasies. For me these are just other fig's. and i do not even think these look great (sorry to the sculptor.
BUT these could be used in a RPG scenario.

and what about the other figs that make no fuss, like the succubus, inquisitors, djinns, slaves, road warriors and warriorettes in leather/latex outfits etc etc

COOKIES!

UNICORNS!

There ya go, cookies and unicorns.

I agree with Tim about this.

I find the whole schoolgirls thing which comes up on on TMP from time to time deeply dubious, japanese schoolgirls with guns, schoolgirls being spanked, what next??

Possession of pornographic images of child abuse is an imprisonable offence in this country. This crap is now cached on my hard drive so I'm stuffed.

Possession of pornographic images of child abuse is an imprisonable offence in this country. This crap is now cached on my hard drive so I'm stuffed.

Big difference between porn and the silliness of this threads pic. Big bifference! Don't get carried away.

To be child porn, does't the picture actually have to be child porn? This looks like a half-ogre chick breaking wind at a nazi, to me. But whatever.

Tim, a quick glance at Wikipedia informs me that:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is the primary or exclusive sexual attraction by adults to prepubescent children.

Whatever the merits of the "naughty schoolgirl" figure may or may not be, she is clearly past puberty. Given her height, she may even be intended to represent a college-age student.

I don't think it is a unreasonable position to ask that it is simply not on the front page.

No banning, censorship, implications and/or accusations of moral impairment (pro or con), or huge snarling fight needed.

YMMV

Guiscard

Throwing the word pedophilia around like this is bordering on fascism and McCarthyism.

I think some people who may have had tragedies in their lives should learn to focus their hate where it really belongs, not a lead miniature. There are plenty of living monsters deserving our disdain. To spend time railing against a miniature diminishes the horror of reality and is absurd.

There are some odd people out there that apparently are interested in more than just historical, fantasy, or sci-fi war gaming.

To be frank, if someone that I knew showed up at a war game with these figures as examples of something that he/she'd painted, I'd find them and the painter rather creapy.

To each his/her own, but I'd not draw attention to this sort of material as being what I associate with the gaming community.

And, as Tim relates, having had a sister raped at an early age myself, I do find any and all material that suggests children, or young people to be sexual objects highly offensive.

Dan

Look carefully at the back view of the naughty girl photo, she clearly has a rash.

I like those figures myself but you need use common sense when posting images that you know could be controversial. An abused woman (or any woman for that matter) could be offended by the image.

A warning or disclaimer is used on most miniature sites that have "adult" material.

If you are easily offended, use your adult filters here at TMP.

Whatever the merits of the "naughty schoolgirl" figure may or may not be, she is clearly past puberty. Given her height, she may even be intended to represent a college-age student.

I think there is a strong negative perception in part because the female is labeled "Naughty Girl" in the title. Past puberty and legal age are two distinctly different things in people's minds. The observation- "may even be intended to represent a college-age student" above gives me pause, because the other intention would clearly be that the figure is underage. I think that will certainly provoke people who see it as exploitive imagery given the context. In contrast, the bad school girls in the other article are not drawing the same negative response because the context is not as suggestive.

Had this been portrayed as Bob from the Enzyte commercial and his wife "role-playing" it might have gotten some general groans and more comments on the mediocre sculpts but probably not the very strong reactions we are seeing. I understand the negative reactions of others, given the context. This is like the Panty Explosion brouhaha repeated and playing out in a similar manner.

People insulated from certain life changing situations sometimes don't see the forest through the trees when it comes to the feelings of others. This reminds me of when we discuss taste in games like modelling concentration camps, civilian casualties, insulting the recently deceased, portraying current events, etc. The common reaction to upsetting people is often to challenge them or get defensive of an idea, rather than trying to diffuse the tension and start a useful dialogue. Discussing this in written text rather than directly and in person certainly doesn't make it any easier.

As for how to use these in a wargame…

…in .45 Adventure, the sample scenario has the possibility of a drunk stumbling into the middle of a shoot-out (and getting in the way).

In a more "farce"-style adventure, you could have the "woman dressed as a schoolgirl" stumble in, then on a later encounter chit, have the "man dressed as a Headmaster" stumble in asking about her.

Looking at that pic, the subject matter is a little tacky – like a Benny Hill sketch – and the execution is poor. Frankly, I've seen plenty worse (although much better executed) from Citadel, Ral Partha and Ground Zero Games.

As for the general public getting the wrong idea about gamers from the pic, they won't see it; you have to register to turn off the adult filter, IIRC.

you have to register to turn off the adult filter

True

On the other hand, they can see the heading and if they decided to see what it was about, read this thread. Without being able to see the picture, just reading the reactions here they'll might assume the figures were actually in worse taste than they are.

By the way if you type "Naughty Girl Being Spanked By Headmaster" in to Google, it brings you here as the first hit!
I suspect there might be one or two new members due for a big disappointment ;-)

The public doesnt perceive anything, they dont even know this hobby exists. Even when LOTR the movies came out GW and the figs got absolutely no air time.

Another perception I see people saying that is wrong is that this is a wargaming site. It is not. It is the miniature page. It involves all sorts of miniatures not just those used in bloody slaughters that you all find so acceptable but gasp in horror at a bit of sexy fun.

It was the same thing with the boob barbarians. Turn on the damn filter and dont call me and others who support this stuff vindictive names. You can have your fun but let us enjoy what we like.

For those who have a real and legitimate chip on your shoulder. You are misdirecting your anger. Channel it in a better direction than a stupid hobby. Try some anger management, too. Life is too short no matter what to be consumed by hate.

On a personal level I resent being grouped with child rapists. I am active in my neighborhood watch to make sure people like this never get in here. But you need to know the enemy, throwing the P word around is hate speech unless you know what you are talking about and who you are talking about.

So that's no votes for the naughty wargamer figure being spanked then?

On a fairly serious note there are much more explicit figures around but I do feel that the front page wasn't the best place for a sculpt that doesn't do anyone much credit.

Well I am glad we've thrashed that one out.

Well I'm outraged…

mainly by the poor quality of the sculpting for the price!

I just love the number and type of excuses being trotted out to justify the offending figures. Perhaps Justin should do a similar post for the excuses to have such things on TMP as he did for excuses to copy books/figures. :-)

"Whatever the merits of the "naughty schoolgirl" figure may or may not be, she is clearly past puberty. Given her height, she may even be intended to represent a college-age student."

I agree that the figure looks older than a schoolgirl. But I still feel uncomfortable about this.

1. Even if the female is looking older the schoolgirl outfit clearly is supposed to have a tintilating effect. And schoolgirl (or other childrenīs clothing) as fetish clothing makes me very uncomfortable. I donīt think those kinds of erotic / sexual fantasies should be supported on TMP.

2. Also we have here a picture of a male authority figure (headmaster) abusing his authority over a young female.

I would have less problems if there would be pics of full nudity miniatures despicting sexual situations between adults on TMP as long as they would be "age-filtered". (Even though I donīt think that they would be good for TMPīs image or would add anything interesting.) For example I had no problems with a model store in Germany which had HO-figs engaged in sexual acts for modeltrain sets in its store window (it was too high up for kids too see). But the school uniform fetish and authority abuse angle of the spanking pic leaves a very bad taste.

This does not belong on the front page.

This was a big misjudgement on whoever put it up and I will not become a member of the site if this sort of absolute garbage is splayed on the front page.

In not way or no form is this relevant to miniature wargaming (other than they are probably made of lead)

The sculpting is absolutly pathetic and looks like he used a fork to do so. The painting is just as bad and might as well have used a chicken leg to paint it. So even regardless of the content (which is completely inappropriate) the complete lack a quality of the model itself means that it shouldn't be displayed on the front page.

What drivel.

KEWL! I might get 2 sets!!!

KEWL! I might get 2 sets!!!

Lol…

If you had two sets, you could have the Headmasters Jujitsu Deathmatch diorama.

You know you could also use the girl simply as a flirt, alone, showing off her butt…

Then you could show the headmaster slapping a little boys face if you have the fig. I think there are some out there, lol.

Bad designs are generally where a new branch of a hobby begins. If they sell ok, then more money and talent will follow. These are a bit on the fetish side. But, so are most WH 40k figs. Just a different kind of fetish. They all appeal to our more juvenile interests. That is why we tend to use them in games. Personally, I think that 25mm will never do this subject justice. I will laugh a lot if I ever see a similar product in 15mm or 6mm..

I agree with Tim, there seems to be a double standard in the editing of content. Words are bleeped out but pictures that contain content that could be seen by some as being worse are allowed.

People new to gaming following a link here and seeing some of them will certainly wonder what sort of site this is and what the members must be like. Thats if they don't make up their mind on what they see and class all the members as members!

Is it just that the pictures are paid for by advertisers or supporting members?

Is it just that the pictures are paid for by advertisers or supporting members?

No.

OK.

Bad Zoot. Naughty Zoot!

Dear Webmaster,
My grandfather died in Stalingrad.Would you please never show any dead german soldiers as game markers for FOW.

My grandmother was raped by soviet soldiers in 1945.
Would you please not depict soviet soldier of that period in heroic positions.

Beside that,my grandfather raped some of those matjorkas in 1942 and killed a lot of them!So please don't remind me of that by showing burning russian villages in 1:100 on gaming tables.
Its offending me,my buddies and my employer too.
They all game in 28mm,ya know.

And since I'm on it.
Nothing about war at all.
I'm never in one,but I heard a lot of people getting hurt in it and me thinks its not that tasteful for a grownup to play war with his toysoldiers.
Especially without the blood,the gut,the pain when you get killed and the real pleasure when you kill.

Beside that I like the miniatures allthough they are badly painted and mediocre sculpts.

Hell,praise to my dark Lord,I'm a really twisted mind that I like human hipocrisy.

borrible, nicely put. BTW on your way out …

>>> Bad Zoot. Naughty Zoot!

"And after the spanking…"

Allen

Ah aecurtis, you must give them all a through spanking.

Never before can I remember a miniature causing this much of a stir, usually it's GW bash threads that go on this long. I'm really impressed with what we've done here. :D

In all seriousness, I'm neither offended or interested in the controversial miniature in question. I don't role play any more so I'd never have a use for such a thing. Unless it's troops liberating girl's private school run by sadomasochists. Did I spell that right?