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YogiBearMinis17 Jul 2008 3:58 a.m. PST

I know I should also post this on KK yahoo group, but there is a broader audience here.

Is there, out there somewhere, a variant on KK for ECW/TYW battles? Does anyone think that KK could be adapted to handle this earlier era (if perhaps you haven't heard of such a variant)?

anleiher17 Jul 2008 6:48 a.m. PST

There is a variant known as "La Guerre du Roi" intended for the Great Northern war and War of the Spanish Succession which probably would work. For instance, it makes provision for pikes and heavy 'reiters'. Caracoling might require some tinkering.

Killraven17 Jul 2008 9:23 a.m. PST

I believe Barry Gray did a Renaissance to late 17th Century set called "Verlorne Haute" or something like that… I remember seeing an ad in the back of KK 2nd/Guerre de Roi, but I've never seen a copy of the VH rules, so I don't know if there is any similarity save the author himself.

anleiher17 Jul 2008 10:54 a.m. PST


You are correct. Your post made me go back to the book case. I actually have a copy, though I have never played it. I will try to give you a review once I have gone through it.

Killraven17 Jul 2008 12:47 p.m. PST

Groovy! I was always intrigued, but never jumped on it. I would be very interested to hear what you think.

I do have "Dutchman, Spaniard, Switzer, Swede", which seems to be quite Koenig-Krieg-ish in its methodology.

YogiBearMinis17 Jul 2008 1:43 p.m. PST

This is different than the WSS/GNW variant? By late 17th century, is Verlorne Haute a 9 Years War set, then?

WKeyser17 Jul 2008 9:56 p.m. PST

No Verlorne Hufe sp? was a pike and shot game, we played a few times but moved on, if I remember and this is twenty years ago, it was very similiar to Gush's rules, Newbury, and Tercio. We went with Newbury.

anleiher29 Jul 2008 7:53 a.m. PST

The set is VERLORENE HAUFE, "FORLORN HOPE". I have the original copy and the one page errata sheet. The author is listed as Wiliam Chin, copyright 1985, developed by Barry Gray.

I haven't played it but it looks interesting enough give it a go. My Turks can come out of retirement.

Total booklet, including two scenarios is only 37 pages. Could probably reduced to a two page playsheet as we have done for KK.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

TailEndCharlie28 May 2009 6:59 p.m. PST


Could you please contact me at please, I wish to discuss VERLORENE HAUFE with you, thanks.

bavoisSYW29 May 2009 10:56 p.m. PST

Wow! Barry Gray must have done a lot of stuff then. Whats the rule set like. I have a heap of 10mm ECW somewhere in the paints room. I have just recently become enamoured with Koenig Krieg and just got my hands on a very shabby set of rules including La Guerre Du Roi. The really look like fun. I have a Dixon Russian force for Peter the Great which I have started as well.

I like the way BG writes his rules. Has anyone actually played these rules?? Love to hear a review. I am also looking at ECW Warhammer which seems to read well too!

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