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Mooseworks816 Jun 2009 11:38 a.m. PST

I just priced KK. $55+ US dollars. Shipping puts it closer to $70 USD US dollars. Anyone know if they plan on coming out with a PDF?

Richard196716 Jun 2009 5:00 p.m. PST

was interested in getting the book until I saw the price

bavoisSYW16 Jun 2009 5:01 p.m. PST

I have not heard about that. I know some of their Army list books are coming out in PDF's. On they just announced that everyone that has purchased a copy of the rules will get a list of PDfs for free as downloads. Over 50 additional pages of info they said.

I live in Australia so postage was cheaper for me but I have my copy and I think they are great! And the turn around time from when my funds cleared, (Paypal) to when my book and accessories arrived was very fast… So I definantly reccommend getting a copy..

JeanLuc17 Jun 2009 4:22 a.m. PST

50 Euro is a bit to much for me….

Especialy since it does not seem complete and that one has to download and print heavily colored pages (ink is not free).

And then there is the "if you want to play 25/28 mm double distances" SORY but no !!!! Why not include a QRF chart for 25/28 mm or 10 mm ???

Stavka17 Jun 2009 4:38 a.m. PST

Then why not 40mm, or 6mm, or 54mm's? The game is/ was primarily designed for 15mm in mind, but that does not preclude it being used with other sizes.

If they come out with a PDF conversion chart then fine, if not- well, that is not a problem for me as even my limited math skills are up to the challenge.

But if it bothers you, then there are other rule sets out there. I played it when it came out back in the 80's and it has always been my 18th C. rules of choice so I'm happy to see it back again, and I'll stick with it.

18th Century Guy Supporting Member of TMP17 Jun 2009 5:14 a.m. PST

The price puts me off as well when I can't determine what the real differences are between this edition and the 2nd edition. Extra color pictures are nice, force listings are nice but if there isn't a real change in the rules then I can't justify paying that amount. Also all though I understand Stavka's response I feel that good rule sets have the necessary information so people using some size other than 15mm can easily use their rules. It also might sell more copies too.

bavoisSYW17 Jun 2009 6:41 a.m. PST

Hey cest moi! It is definantly complete, the downloads are just lost of extra free stuff that you would not bother putting into a set of rules I think. But the rule book itself is definantly complete and comprehensive.

Having compared the earlier edition with this one 3rd ed have a lot more in them and many of the confusions I found in the earlier edition have been cleaned up. There are some real changes, not to the core mechanics of the rules but to definantly the rules have changed in other respects…

I guess I am just lucky I live in Australia and do not have to worry about the fact that for once the Aussies are not the ones being stung by international exchange rates. Maybe if they published the book a year ago when the Aussie dollar was so bad you would not think twice, eh!

GeoffQRF17 Jun 2009 1:41 p.m. PST

The earlier 2nd edition was a compilation that, unfortunately, had several errors and conflicting instructions. What Drew and his team have done is go back to the original instructions then worked forward to clear up several of the confusing elements… at least, that's what they were intending – Haven't seen one myself yet!

Happy Wanderer18 Jun 2009 2:12 a.m. PST


Maybe it would be prudent for those with the 3rd edition rules who know what changes have been done from the 2nd edition, now would be a good time to give a summary of those changes and give an overview of what you get for the 3rd edition update.


Happy Wanderer

GeoffQRF18 Jun 2009 12:43 p.m. PST

I have already pointed this thread to Drew (KK) hoping he can help clarify what's in the new production

JazzMonster18 Jun 2009 2:52 p.m. PST

I believe version 3 is a significant improvement on the last version of the rules for KK. Not only is the book beautiful but it includes options for playing historical battles along with points lists for scratch games and tournaments. The book, which I thought was pretty reasonably priced (I am in Australia)particularly considering it has exctensive army lists so that you can run virtually any combination across British, British Allied (Hanoverian, Hessian, Brunswick etc), Prussian, Russian, French and Austrian with heaps of opportunities for allied units/Reichsarmee etc.

The new rules are much more accessible for new players as well as they are "modern" in their approach in full colour and with easy to understand list building, a great "trial" game which goes turn by turn, initiative by initiative and helps explain some of the quirks of this great set of rules and even a flow chart which shows the rule progression for turns.

I am hoping, and truly believe, that this set can bring 18th century war up to where it belongs in miniature gaming. Obviously they will need to find distributors etc in North America and Europe but anyone I know in our hobby who has seen the rules has been impressed.

We have just played the Brandenburg Cup here and it was loads of fun…worked well and visually fantastic.

As you may have guessed, this is my favourite set of rules at the moment. I have everything from Empire to Nappy Battles to FOW, CrossFire and lots in between but the initiative system for KK has always captured me and the new rules set was a no-brainer.

While no fanboy for anything (I am 44 years old and boy unfortunately no longer applies) I want this rules set to get the exposure it deserves so we are all still playing it in a decade's time, around the world.

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