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Desert Fox27 Jan 2014 8:54 a.m. PST

I am thinking of using KK for my 18th wargaming fix, but which edition? From what I can tell after reading AARs found on the web is that those who play KK have their favorite edition of the rules.

Any major differences between the different editons of KK?

Which do you prefer and why?

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2014 9:40 a.m. PST

3rd as Published by Outland games. It added some clarifications. I have been enjoying this set since the 80's! The latest edition from the new owners adds point values and is more centered for competition games rather than just playing historical. Of course, you could ignore the points system and still play the old way. I must admit that I did not check for wording changes, but since I still have a serviceable copy of the 3rd, I didn't bother to check.

Hope you can get your hands on a copy and enjoy it.

Who asked this joker27 Jan 2014 11:46 a.m. PST

3rd as Published by Outland games.

AFAIK, 3rd is published by Siege Works Studios. I think 2nd was publish by Outland…or are there two 3rd editions out there?

Anyway, I have the Siege Works Studios version. Quite nice really and the rules seem easy to understand. I have not gotten a game in yet. If you are really gung ho to get them, spend the extra dollars to get the full package which includes the army lists for the major combatants of the 7YwWs etc…

I don't own 2nd ed but I hear that is good as well. It is also rare as hens teeth.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2014 5:43 p.m. PST

2nd ed here


teaticket27 Jan 2014 5:44 p.m. PST

I've played 2nd and 3rd. 3rd is much better IMHO.

Nadir Shah28 Jan 2014 3:13 a.m. PST

3rd Edition is published by Siege Works Studios, 2nd ed in the late 80's early 90's was published by our good mate Chris at Outland Games, just to clear up the confusion. :)

You can purchase a PDF copy of the rules at the website as well as loads of free PDF's and also army lists supplements including exciting additions like Portuguese.


Although I had been playing Koenig Krieg personally since the early 90's using 2nd ed when I had the chance to buy the rules and redo them I jumped at the opportunity. The earlier editions were written for the experienced Koenig Krieg gamer who already had 10-20 years gaming experience with the rules, but was not very user friendly for the newbie. When I took over the ownership, I reformatted and clarified the rules so that not only the veteran die hard Koenig Krieg gamer's but also new players could enjoy the experience :)

What are the differences between 2nd and 3rd. Well really all 3rd has done is amplify the rules, so that they are clear. Loads of examples and diagrams are in the rules, it is full colour as opposed to earlier black and white, it actually has a points system that works as opposed to one that does not, which is why all the gentlemen that still play 2nd edition have never bothered at all with playing points (quite right too as the the old points system was decidedly in favour of Prussians) and instead happily match armies up against each for a gentleman's bash. Which is not a bad way to play a game, especially with a bit of port and lively conversation amongst friends, which is why I salute them and say good show in my most dignified 18th century manner :)

3rd has also introduced the ability to play Koenig Krieg tournaments of which we have had a few wonderful comps over the years in Australia and Italy to name a few of the places comps have been played.

The army lists which are points driven are in fact far more historical in the organisations than in previous editions and really lends it self to good old historical gaming without having to be an 18th century scholar and military historian. I did all the hours of pouring over historical orders of battle for each nation so that you did not necessarily have too :) If you are not a points gamer and enjoy realistic historical orders of battle just follow the army organisations in 3rd ed and ignore the points :)

3rd is also well supported, with loads of free PDF supplements as well as 12 PDF parade handbooks covering the Holy Roman Empire, Russia, Prussia, Britain and her allies,Austria, Spain, Sweden, Portugal and Turkey. There are proto lists for Persia, Durrani Afghans, Mysore, Mahrattas, Mughal, British East India, FIW to name but a few of the releases to come.

We also have started a small range of 15mm SYW which in time will expand as well as just having purchased a range of 28mm SYW Hanoverians and Hessians for our imagi-nations and small actions games to be released later this year. Here is a Hanoverian Mtd Officer beautifully painted by Chokidar from our new 28mm range.

In short, 3rd ed is a streamlined and more modern and easy on the eyes edition which crisply and clearly allows players to enjoy the wonderful world of 18th century gaming without having to spend half the time filling in the many blanks and presumptions of the earlier editions. It is as much for the beginner as it is for the veteran Koenig Krieger.

Hope this helps :)

CATenWolde28 Jan 2014 8:41 a.m. PST

Thanks for the information! On the website, the Rules Deal includes the following:

"Orders of Battle for the 5 major combatants of the Seven Years War: Prussia, Austria, France, Russia and Britain."

Are those the same pdf's that are sold separately on the website?



Nadir Shah28 Jan 2014 9:41 a.m. PST

Hi Chris yes they are, just in case you want the rules and later decide to get various army lists. It allows that flexibility :)

ancientsgamer28 Jan 2014 10:11 a.m. PST

Well this is also great news about the rules availability and the 15mm figures too :-)

Have never played KK but have been wanting to do the period for some time. Thanks for posting the additional information SWS, it is very helpful :-)

Who asked this joker28 Jan 2014 11:56 a.m. PST

Are those the same pdf's that are sold separately on the website?

Pay the $20 USD and get the 5 army lists included. You won't regret it and you will save some money over buying them separately.

zippyfusenet28 Jan 2014 1:18 p.m. PST

My cronies and I played 2nd edition KK for many years. 3rd edition from Siege Works is a big improvement, especially in clarity. Yes, the points system works. 3rd edition KK has rekindled enthusiasm in Cincinnati for Seven Years War gaming. Well worth the trouble of printing the PDF.

Nadir Shah28 Jan 2014 7:23 p.m. PST

Koenig Krieg is a game that endures the test of time, I have always enjoyed the game over the years and that is why I am expanding the options for players with great support in supplements and building 15 and 28mm SYW ranges.

Other great news is Siege Works has made an agreement with Outland Games in the US to spin and sell his ranges here in Australia for all the Aussie gamers, which will mean we will be selling 20mm SYW as well. 2014 and 2015 are going to be exciting years for Koenig Krieg players :)

JHaygood28 Jan 2014 7:48 p.m. PST

KK 3rd was the rules I got that everyone said was the standard. I was not disappointed so far.

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