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Prince Alberts Revenge06 Aug 2007 9:57 p.m. PST

Anybody have a set of these? I used to, when I first got into historical. Sold them off which I now regret. How were the rules? Any good? How were the naval rules? What scale ships were they intended for? If anyone has a set they care to sell me, let me know! Thanks!

Chthoniid06 Aug 2007 10:14 p.m. PST

I still have my set.

Had some good ideas, but didn't really work as a representation of medieval warfare. Rather too technology based, with a combat system that could generate casualties at a rate equivalent to a howitzer barrage. A lot of mechanisms were quite cumbersome. Finishing a game was often a chore.

Quite happy to sell you my copy :-)

Parmenion07 Aug 2007 2:22 a.m. PST

I agree with Chthoniid. Not a great set of rules, I gave mine away years ago.

Hastati07 Aug 2007 4:40 a.m. PST

Agree with Chthonid and Parmenion. We only played them a few times and found the mechanisms very clunky and the games very slow. We ended up going back to WRG, that about says it all I think.

Big Martin07 Aug 2007 5:15 a.m. PST

I bought them, read them and left them in my box of unused rules I'm afraid to say.

Prince Alberts Revenge07 Aug 2007 5:15 a.m. PST

Chthoniid: if you are interested in parting with them, send me an email: le_coq_fou at yah00 d0t com. How are the naval rules in them? Thanks!

Chthoniid07 Aug 2007 3:41 p.m. PST

Naval rules were even more cumbersome…

It was actually (I thought) a good idea packaging land, seige and naval rules together as a single deal. And it was also refreshing to see a dedicated medieval set, as opposed to more generic rules.

But, the rules needed to have been trashed by playtesters several times over, and rebuilt. We tried dropping the fatigue rules from our games, and this worked fine. Fatigue mostly occurred alongside disruption, so there was penalties from 'indirect' fatigue anyway. You didn't need to be bothered tracking 'figure' casualties, 'fatigue' and 'disruption' at the same time.

Nobody could really be bothered sustaining interest in the set however. And I think the research was also seriously under-done. This was a set calibrated for Western Europe in the high medieval ages.

Chthonic regards


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