"DBA Roman troop types convert to C&C?" Topic

I am working on converting C&C to miniatures using my DBA armies. The C&C romans seem strange. What do the "Medium" troops in that list represent? My reading and DBA armies show the Romans with Heavy troops and light ones. The former are the hastati and principes and triarii.

Does C&C use the triarii as the Heavy and the other two types as the Medium?

Thanks

I think it varies from scenario to scenario. Richard Borg seems to have come up with a system where the rating of troops represents a mixture of their arms, training and quality. Broadly, yes, the heavies seem to be the Triarii, and the Mediums the Hastati and Principes. But particularly as you get to the Civil wars there are many units rated auxiliary who are probably intended to represent legionaries. When I created my 6mm armies I cross checked the scenarios where I could, and rated the units accordingly. I am sure you will have a lot of fun with this, and wish you good luck!

Mollinary

Bobgar – are you aware of the Scenario X variant of CCA which is essentially a translation of the DBA lists into CCA lists? It is found here: link

Polybian Roman are described as:
1xMC (G), 1xMC, 2xHI, 6xMI, 2xLI
Special: Roman Tactical Flexibility rules are in effect against all enemy heavy infantry (exp.1, P.29).

This would generally equate Hastati and Principes as MI, Triari as HI. This might be the normal case but not apply across all of the historical scenarios when other factors were taken into account.

Thanks guys, I was stumped on what to use for Roman medium troops. With this break down I should be able to field enough for epic games.

Bob,

I agree completely with the comments above and would add the following thoughts.

Because there are additional classes of troops in CCA that don't match exactly with the troop types in DBA you will have to do some additional identiification. I do this by using little page flags to mark the colors of the troops with different characteristics from what they might appear as to how they are based. It is also helpful in 'converting' troop types as CCA will usually have more than 12 units per game.

In games where I am introducing new people and often kids to ancients or they are not familiar with DBA conventions (most people that I play CCA with) then I flag all the units. Red- heavy, Blue – Medium, Green-lights and the special ones get two tags – Warriors are blue and yellow. Auxilia may be yellow. Really helps the players understand the game and play with minimal help from the GM.

Sounds like you are planning to do one stand per hex, which will require you to have some type of casualty marking. We have used rocks, numbered disks, little poker chips, casualty figures and they all work just fine.

REALLY Epic CCA you would need to have 4 stands for Infantry, 3 stands for horse and 2 stands for elephants and chariots. Then you can just use stand removal. I can do that in 6mm for regular CCA and that looks very good. You do need 4 inch hexes for that.

Bill

When I first did this, before total megalomania took over and I went for Epic on Kallistra hexes 100mm across, I had four bases per foot unit , three per cavalry, and two for elephants and chariots. The foot and horse bases were 25mm x 15mm, the elephanst and chariots 25mm x 30mm. Foot had Heavy 8 figures in two ranks, Medium 6 figures in 2 ranks, Auxiliary 4 figures in one rank, Light 3 figures. Cavalry single rank, 5 for heavy, 4 for Medium, 3 for Lights. I painted the rear edge of the base, red for heavies, blue for mediums, half blue, half white for warrior, green for lights, half green half white for auxilia. It all worked great!

Mollinary

Scenario X is a glorious thing, I also have had success using advanced Armati armies with bonus doodads as well. Still love the game and the napoleonic one as well. Have all of them but I still prefer the ancient knock downs minus the epic set. Tho I did spring for Napoleonic epic. As far as "figgers" go I would love to do 15mil ancient at 12 foot, 8 warband, 4 light, and 6 hy & md horse, 4 light horse. Regarding Triarii Pricipe and Hastati, the convention would almost certainly be Triarii as heavy, Prins and hasts as medium. Not sure when it came to blood and rage time, the difference in the two made much impact

In the Punic war era, what are the auxiliary for the Romans? Thanks

Looking at a number of the scenarios, both Epic and normal (easily accessible on the commands and Colors fan site) they usually seem to be deployed on both flanks of a Roman army. So, I would assume they are normally expected to represent the Allied Alae. Now, in most cases these would probably be equipped, and fight, in a similar manner to the Romans, so I would expect they are rated as auxiliary to imply a certain inferiority of quality, rather than necessarily a difference of equipment or fighting style.

Mollinary

Bobgnar, you'll find the Auxilia tough to use well, just like in DBA. They have mobility, but if they move 2, they can't shoot. Their shooting is vital, since they can use flags to disrupt the enemy, and occasionally, reduce a HI or MI by a precious block. Unlike most formed foot, they are all but incapable of wiping out undamaged foot in one combat. That said, you can use them as a semi-strike force once enemy are down to two blocks. Cavalry hate them, since 2 flags is virtually fatal to them.

Medium Infantry are best thought of as Heavy Infantry (inferior)…