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Wargames Rules for All-Arms Land Warfare from Platoon to Batallion Level 1925-1950 and 1950-2000

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Sparker21 Jan 2014 10:28 p.m. PST

Dear All,


A belated batrep of December's Eastern Front WRG game in 20mm can be seen here:



It doesn't make for happy reading if you like to see the gallant Red Army do well…

kiwimole21 Jan 2014 10:43 p.m. PST

It's nice to see a table not absolutely covered track to track in tanks. Nice to see a reasonable amount of infantry being used to balance it all too. When we game the WRG rules we play in 1/300 scale, ground scale 1mm = 1m and it works really well. Put down lots of terrain and it looks fantastic. Well done.

Fatman21 Jan 2014 11:02 p.m. PST

Very nice game and set up. Shame about the result but remember the Soviets won in the end. ;=P


Paul S22 Jan 2014 4:58 a.m. PST

Nice to see your on good form as always :p

EagleSixFive22 Jan 2014 5:41 a.m. PST

Nice Beaver, err, I mean teddy bear fur.

Was it bought at that length or was it clipped?

Doug em4miniatures22 Jan 2014 5:53 a.m. PST

20mm and WRG rules – what's not to like? The photos reminded me (in a totally good way) of a book of Charles Grants called "Battle; Pracical Wargaming".

Such nostalgia – thanks.


War Panda22 Jan 2014 7:59 a.m. PST

I concur, what fur..what beautiful fur…pray tell what is the fur?

Speaking of "what fur?" Ditto! Is that really you? What happened to you? You look…different…are you ok man?

Legion 422 Jan 2014 10:53 a.m. PST

Nice models !

Jabo 194422 Jan 2014 1:14 p.m. PST

Great looking terrain mat ? I like the German position too all very appealing.
Incidentally, where did the tank riders come from ?


Sparker22 Jan 2014 2:53 p.m. PST

Thank you all for the kind comments. Many questions, about things I probably should have mentioned in the blog..Doh!

The ground cloth.

All Mark's work, and he is even more of a technophobe than I am so its unlikely he will come on here and tell you all about it. All I know is that its not 'teddy bear fur' as such, but originally started off as a towelling type of material which he has put a lot of time and effort into getting this result. The undulations are made up of successive levels of foam, covered in a thick single layer of felt underlay, about an inch thick, then the cloth.

Models. T34s are mainly diecasts from Dragon and MRC, with one lone PSC one (the old version before they retooled and thinned down the gun – I like my guns to be quite thick – puts the willies up the Germans!)

The infantry and gun crews are again mainly from PSC – the gun crews are also from the infantry pack, with a little basic conversion, mainly in turning the grenade thrower into a gun captain indicating 'Gun Ready'…

Tank riders from AB, now owned by Eureka in Australia and temporarily out of production, but hopefully will be available again one day…

The guns themselves are from Skytex, the range has now been handed over to 20mmZone. I don't think these particular models are available – yet? Actually Steve you may recall the 76.2 crash booms were yours and we swapped for some US armoured cars!

Provost22 Jan 2014 9:47 p.m. PST

Lovely looking game mate!

dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2014 1:00 a.m. PST

Ditto Two Three wrote:
WRG are a set of rules I used to read about in Battle and Military Modelling magazines in the 70s, but we never got a copy to try. Can you still get these anywhere? It'd be fun to read them.

PDF link

Andy ONeill23 Jan 2014 3:04 a.m. PST

Ahhh… Brings it all back.

I played using those rules from 1973 to about 79.
A lot.
Always with micro though.

The (much) later edition had the modes mechanism added and I should think you could probably buy a dusty copy of them from some wargame shop.

Deadone23 Jan 2014 5:19 p.m. PST

Looks awesome. I love that board and wish I had the skill to make something like that.

Sparker23 Jan 2014 5:32 p.m. PST


Thanks for that pdf link. However I just want to clarify that this is the original, really old, version that Mark turned up with. Pretty outdated now in my view.

The version we played with was the June 1988 'Wargames Rules 1925-1950', which I would argue have stood the test of time much better…Unfortunately I don't think these are available to download for free!

dragonfan7923 Jan 2014 11:22 p.m. PST

Concur that it does look great. I still like the very old WRG rules; simple yet lots of variety. I found the 1988 rules a bit too cumbersome for me, although they do have excellent unit organisation outlines,and dropped off WW2 gaming.Have now picked up Rapid Fire and started to rebuild some late war US and German forces.I am drawn to the Battlegroup rules… any comparisons with Rapid Fire? worth the big dollars just to have a look see? no doubt very pretty…

Sparker25 Jan 2014 9:53 p.m. PST

Not made my mind up completely about Battlegroup but they have to be better than Vapid Fire! Its just too easy to kill trained infantry with RF2! Anyone whose spent any time on a live fire range will now how hard it is to hit figure 11 (prone) targets at 300 metres, even with no-one firing back at you…

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