"WRG 7A Army lists for EIR & Sassinids?" Topic

Could I receive the WRG Army (I have played WRG 7A before, many years ago)lists for the EIR(Early Imperial Romans) and the Sassinid Persian Army?

Would the EIR or the MIR Army, be the correct historical opponent against the Sassinids?

EIR Roman Marines…..considered HI or LHI? Would the Marines be based on 40mm X 15mm stands, or 40mm X 20mm stands(4 figures per stand on either sized stands?).

Did the Romans use Camelry cavaly(based as HC) in the wars against the Sassinids?

The lists are still in copyright and will have to be bought, I believe.

You will want to use Middle Imperial Romans as your list source but in actuality, the Late Imperial Romans under Julian were the ones that fought the Sassanids. Time period wise, the Middle Imperials 'could' have fought Persia in this period but didn't. You are actually using WRG 6th edition lists by the way unless you use NASAMW lists instead.

Marines are only listed in the EIR lists (Sassanid Persians are from 220 to 637 AD and fall beyond the EIR list period which ends in 192 per the WRG lists)

Marines in the EIR are the same as legionaries so you would base on 40X15mm stands with 4 figures per stand. They count as Heavy Infantry. Their morale is 'C'.

Dromedarii are listed as Light Camelry in the lists. I don't recall if they were used against the Sassanids but I would bet they were used in scouting more than in battles.

I would have a serious look at Warrior Rules if I were you. They have list rules that give a better flavor to Romans and other armies. My only beef with the rules are some list decisions made by the authors that don't stand up to historical review in some cases. The Chinese armies are allowed to remove the cost of shields for their rear ranks for all units as an example and this is highly dubious. Also, allowing Almughavars to count as shielded, when they didn't have shields may make them too powerful. They were great against historical opponents, they shouldn't be great against heavy missile fire.

The rules are fine for the most part. CB, lancers and counting part of the second rank of Jls armed cavalry may have gone a little too far in rules changes from 7th edition though. fourhorsemenenterprises.com is your source for these rules.

By the way, WRG 7th A (assuming you mean first release), is loaded with errors. You need the next published rules which reads "August 1992, fully revised" on the cover.

I think there are several lists that cover the Romans. Middle, late, early Byzantine, Maurikian. I am not sure of the Patrician list if they were in the west or covered the east also.
The Sassanians go all the way to around 650 when over run by the Arabs.

The biggest 'unit' of camels in the Roman army was 32 they weren't a line of battle troop.

Tom..

Re camels, except for Ala I ulpia dromedariorum milliaria…

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Well we don't have roster lists for that unit and the one battle we think it was in doesn't mention camels.
Sadly despite huge volumes of Roman records we lack information on whole units.

As the Ala I Ulpia was raised at the same time as the two cataphractoi Ala (which also lack recorde :-( still maybe there is a pile of papyrus buried in N Syria) so it might have been an experimental all camel unit.

We have records for other cohors equitata and ala that were dromedari but all of them suggest a turmae or two of camels for scouting or patrolling in the desert. There are no records of Roman camels in combat that I can recall either.

rear ranks for all units as an example and this is highly dubious. Also, allowing Almughavars to count as shielded, when they didn't have shields may make them too powerful. They were great against historical opponents, they shouldn't be great against heavy missile fire.

Didn't the Catalan company knock the poo out of Turks who would have been mounted archers? Perhaps the almughavars sent east should have better armor or shields.

"Time period wise, the Middle Imperials 'could' have fought Persia in this period but didn't. "

The Roman Emperor Valerian was actually captured in battle against the Persians in the MIR period. There were other Roman/Sassanid actions through the period too, including Gordian and Galerius.

Harry Sidebottom's Warrior of Rome books are set in these conflicts.