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Miniaturepainter08 Dec 2016 10:58 a.m. PST

Hi all of you

Do any of you have any exp. with the ruleset from Mantic games. Thought about using it for my samurai or another time for my HYW.

Looking for a fairly fast set of rules where the most important thing is fun

Regards Rasmus aka miniaturepainter

DColtman08 Dec 2016 11:08 a.m. PST

I have my copy of the historical variant on order.

I have played a fair bit of the fantasy version – which I understand is the same game with different chrome, and I really enjoy it. Consider it an alternative to Warhammer (WAB or WHFB) approach that does away with figure removal and high powered characters and spells. Very good faction balance, nothing overpowered, gives a good competitive game and the rules are very tight and clear.

The question for me is whether the historical variant captures the flavour of the kind of troop interactions, tactics and strategy of a wide range of ancients/medieval eras. It may be too generic – which is a criticism of games like Hail Caesar which try to do this using a toolbox approach, which is kind of what KoW does. But on the other hand – that is an attaction for some. YMMV.


John Leahy08 Dec 2016 11:40 a.m. PST

I have read some reviews of the new historical supplement. I am a fan of the rules. I do not believe that I will pick up this booklet. There actually is a free historical supplements online. If you cannot find them I will post a link later tonight. Those look much more historically inclined.


Rottcodd08 Dec 2016 3:56 p.m. PST

I purchased it, and like it. There is a fairly large generic army list, then each entry (Samurai, WotR, Byzantines, etc) gets it's own 2 or 3 special units, and a couple of heroes. There is also a list at the end to add in monsters, spell-casters, and the like.

Waco Joe08 Dec 2016 3:57 p.m. PST

I have the supplement and have mixed feelings. On one hand it is a call back to the days of WAB when people hoped to entice fantasy players over to the light of historical goodness. The mechanics will feel comfortable and not a lot will have to be gleaned fresh. As a guide to building historically correct armies that fight like they are supposed to? Not so much. I will give one example of an army list tht will probably have everyone closing the book and moving on. The Egyptian list covers the period of time from 1279 BC and ends with Saladin. Yes, that is not a typo on my part. Oh and Byzantines can have War Dogs.

My opinion is if you are already well versed in historicals you can make the rules work using your own knowledge and lists. But if you want rules that throw in period flavor I would look elsewhere.

YogiBearMinis Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2016 8:03 p.m. PST

Didn't the Byzantines have war dogs in the deleted scenes section of "Kingdom of Heaven"--where Orlando Bloom's character also takes up archery with his short buddy?

Miniaturepainter08 Dec 2016 11:48 p.m. PST

Thanks for the input. Played many rulesets, but really miss something I can use for my samurai…this maybe would get me started and sounds like its fast and fun. Having no problems adding house rules to get the right historical feel for middle age japan. They are cheap and the book looks nice….that alone almost got me:) bought ronin for skirmish but it really did not suck me in…

Prince Alberts Revenge09 Dec 2016 5:49 a.m. PST

I own it, read through it several times and plan to use for several periods. I purchased it without high hopes but i was pleasantly surprised. It is definitely more game than simaulation. Well written and easy to understand the concepts and mechanics. I like how you can create troop types by plugging in the various "characteristics" in. I also like that I can base an entire unit on one element.

Miniaturepainter10 Dec 2016 2:14 p.m. PST

Got me convinced. I am giving it a go:). Thx for the input

Regards Rasmus aka miniaturepainter

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