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photocrinch14 Feb 2011 11:56 a.m. PST

I was at our local hobby shop and they have a whole bunch of old Essex DBA and DBR armies, but they are numbered anywhere from 1 – 225. I assume the DBA and DBR initial realeases did not separate the armies into books, but had them in one long list. Is there a listing somewhere? In particular I am looking for Polish armies in the DBR lists that would include those glorious winged hussars. It would be a great help if anyone could point me to a source that lists the army and their numbers for the whole list in DBA 1.1, and I assume DBR 1.1.



religon14 Feb 2011 12:15 p.m. PST
Guinny14 Feb 2011 12:23 p.m. PST

I'm not sure, but I thought DBA 1.1 had the lists broken down into the four groups?

If so, hopefully this is what you:


I'd imagine that the Polish list you're after is IV/66 – Later Polish (1335AD – 1510AD)

elsyrsyn14 Feb 2011 12:30 p.m. PST

Well, the original 1990 DBA had just one set of numbered lists the link Religon posted has it spot on.

I don't have 1.1, but it came out in 1995, which is two years after DBM came out in 1993, so it might have had the book/list format for lists (the 4 books first came out in 1993 and 1994).


photocrinch14 Feb 2011 12:30 p.m. PST

Thanks religon, Very useful link. I have what I need for DBA 1.1 now, but the DBR list remains ellusive….

As for the poles, I am looking for the DBR Poles, which I think are 205, but I wondered if there was an earlier list as well. The 205 packs do not have any winged hussars packaged with them.

Thanks again,


religon14 Feb 2011 12:40 p.m. PST

You're welcome.

I could also use a codex of old DBR Essex product numbering.

Who asked this joker14 Feb 2011 12:57 p.m. PST

DBA 1-1.2 had 1 set of lists. Something like 180 total. DBAOL is based on v1.2 here.

Version 2 of DBA used the same list organization of DBM. So there were books I-IV.


Allen5714 Feb 2011 3:40 p.m. PST

Try contacting the Fanaticus DBA group. They may be of help.


The Wargames Room14 Feb 2011 10:35 p.m. PST

DBA & DBM are Ancient & Medieval rules that cover the period up until 1494AD or so.

DBR covers the period from 1494AD to 1700AD. It is this later period that has the traditional Winged Hussars in all their glory.

Reviewing the Ospreys of the Renaissance Polish armies it suggests the full Winged Hussar came in the 1600s. Prior to that some Hussars existed but they supported rather the existing Polish knights rather than formed the heavy cavalry. These earlier figures may not be the figures you are looking for.

DBR has Polish armies acorss a couple of periods. The more common ones are from the DBR Army list Book 2/7 (1576-1631AD) and a later list in Book 3/46 (1632-1700AD).

photocrinch15 Feb 2011 6:06 p.m. PST

So I realized that there were actually two sets in the bin. The DBR armies are all book 1 armies and thanks to you all and the folks on Fanaticus I now have them labeled appropriately. There is also another set that is not DBR but appears to be Renaissance era as well. A few of them are labeled with the army type. Numbers range from 200-225. Here are the sets I know:

205 Polish
206 Tartar
209 Cossack
217 Bishop Wars
224 Irish

Anybody have any idea what list or rule set these are from so that I might be able to figure out what the other armies are?


religon15 Feb 2011 9:05 p.m. PST

Is it possible they are Essex Read Made Armies (RMA)?

I have never owned one, but they appear to be 50% larger than a DBA army and composed as Essex feels appropriate. They may not be associated with a set of rules.

photocrinch16 Feb 2011 6:27 a.m. PST

Fanaticus comes through again. I thought I had checked this but apparently I mis-read or something, but they are book 2 armies for DBR, with 205 standing for book 2 army 5 etc. Thanks for the help.


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