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Justin Credible22 Jun 2012 5:09 p.m. PST

I have all 3 sets now albeit HFG is still in a draft form. How commonly played are they out there in the wider wargaming world?

BP is the prettiest but it seems to require a lot of pre game preparation. With one toddler and another baby on the way, I just want to be able to rock up at a meeting with my box of troops & terrain, get them out and play (HFG looks good for that plus I'm familiar with DBX). P&G looks to have some good mechanics but will take a while to get a hang of and with just me pushing this period at the club, time is a rare commodity.

Justin Credible22 Jun 2012 5:09 p.m. PST

BTW, forgot to mention I'm using 15mm.

John Leahy Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2012 6:03 p.m. PST

My understanding is that HFG jumped the shark versus its original proposed status as a large battle DBA set. Instead it became a DBM style game. I do not believe it is widely played.

If you are looking for an easy to play large scale game based on DBX then the Humberside Extension or DBN may be your cup of tea.



Whatisitgood4atwork22 Jun 2012 6:28 p.m. PST

DBN would be as good place as any to start. Napoleonics is so fragmented there is no real standard for basing or for rules.

But with a little planning you can base for a lot of different games. Though there is no standard, 40mm frontage for 15mm is fairly common and suits most basing systems.

Other popular sets include LaSalle and Too Fat Lardie's La Feu Sacre (LFS). LFS could be worth looking at given your requirements. It is designed for 15mm, there are about 12 figures per battalion and they're based in a single line. You might have 20 30 units in a typical game.

Good luck. Where in China are you?

Sparker22 Jun 2012 11:39 p.m. PST

You are spot on in saying that BP take a lot of pre game prep. It does, if you want period flavour and a historical outcome…

But you will find that you more than regain that time when playing the game, as all you have to do is fight your bdes…no complex rules, book keeping, looking up tables…

Blackpowder moves the effort from DURING the game to BEFORE the game…..

Justin Credible23 Jun 2012 2:52 a.m. PST

In Hong Kong. Our website is

LSF is a Napoleonic game whereas I'm looking for a set that captures 1854-1898 approx. 12 fig bns, 30-40mm rectangular bases and pick-up-and-play. Tried PoW but not my bag.

Shedman23 Jun 2012 3:59 a.m. PST

Are you looking for rules for European, American or Colonial theatres?

A few other rule sets to consider are Regimental Fire & Fury, Battles for Empire (colonial but I have used them for European wars) and there are a couple of Warmaster variants out there

advocate23 Jun 2012 5:42 a.m. PST

Black Powder does require a bit of pre-game preparation, but essentially once you ahve prepared stats and sheets for a particular army once, then it's done.

Gonefromhere23 Jun 2012 11:52 a.m. PST

You might also want to consider the Piquet system. Their Hallowed Ground supplement probably fits your time period.

It's one of these systems that evokes strong reactions from most – for and against – but it's certainly thought provoking. Like BO it does require work in advance of the game, but there are corners you can cut (e.g. standard unit profiles). There is also a good yahoo group.

Justin Credible24 Jun 2012 6:06 a.m. PST

Both colonial (India, Sudan) and Europe (Crimea, 1859-1870).

Gotta be easy to use as I don't have hours & hours to learn, prepare, set up etc. Toys on table, crack open a few tinnies and play.

Jeremy Sutcliffe24 Jun 2012 3:55 p.m. PST

I'd say make the initial effort with BP.

Once you start playing they are very easy to use with little reference to the book of words.

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