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AWuuuu31 Jan 2016 3:13 p.m. PST

Accidental start of my long planned Mughal army Babur.

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Now what to do next I want to recreate First battle of Panipat 1526- Most probably with DBR rules


PS: My war motto is: God is on the side of the bigger banners :)

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Redroom31 Jan 2016 3:50 p.m. PST

and a nice looking banner too

Ashokmarine31 Jan 2016 4:07 p.m. PST

I like it!

Father Grigori01 Feb 2016 3:07 a.m. PST

Beautiful!

As for Panipat, I have an unfinished manuscript on the battle (that I really should finish and publish) from research on it I was doing some years ago. For a source, I'd recommend the Thackston translation (New Library), not the Beveridge. It's easier to read, and there's a lot that needs to be read between the lines.

AWuuuu01 Feb 2016 3:10 a.m. PST

Thanks, it is very effective on the table. I wonder if not a little too effective as his cavalry will be done with more historically correct models and painting. But in his DBR army are some half-fantastical elements so he will always be a little historically sketchy, so I decided that grand banner is in order :)

|(And it always gave victories to my Italian wars French i have big hopes in big banners :)

Father Grigori Thanks
I am forced to use open access version and have Beveridge translation, I will look for Thackston.

BTW: Are you aware of any iconography of Mughal "gun carriages" – thats part of the army I am struggling with

Umpapa01 Feb 2016 9:23 a.m. PST

Beautiful. :) Good motto, either.

AWuuuu01 Feb 2016 12:23 p.m. PST

Thanks Umpapo :)

Ive decided to follow up and started sculpting Ali Kuli Khan who comandered train and matchlock Bunduqchis :)

Father Grigori03 Feb 2016 3:11 a.m. PST

Mistake, sorry.

The Baburnama version is the Modern Library edition, not the New Library.

Wheeler M. Thackston

ISBN-10: 0375761373

ISBN-13: 978-0375761379

You should be able to get a copy through Amazon, or a local library, if you have an inter-library loans system where you are.

Father Grigori03 Feb 2016 3:21 a.m. PST

Gun carriages. If you Google 'Battle of Panipat' on images, you should pick up some pictures of light and heavy guns being used at Panipat from a later C16th Baburnama. There's a good discussion of the firearms and cannon available in I.A. Khan's 'Gunpowder and Firearms'. One thing he does argue is that the firingees are light cannon, not small arms. Another point that's worth noting is that the Mughal line is not composed of war wagons. It's basically a barricade of carts to break up an attack, and to provide shelter. War wagons were used the next year against the Rajputs, and there is an account in the BN of the Safavids using a wagon fort against the Uzbeks.

AWuuuu03 Feb 2016 6:39 a.m. PST

My pan for First Panipat is to use light artillery and cartwall as stand in for Wagoons.

I know about the uses in BN but I failed to find any visual representation (apart from modern monument).

Its very hard to navigate between historical accuracy and playability with army so lacking in visual sources other than Cavalry :(

HarryHotspurEsq16 Feb 2016 8:46 a.m. PST

Very nice!

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