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Drusilla199810 Nov 2016 6:55 a.m. PST

Sadly, I was told of no DBMM or DBM games being played at Fall In. However, there was quite a lot of ADLG and Triumph, so maybe there is a changing of the guard, so to speak.

A bit sad, as the DBX system, was the model for all of these followup rules, but times marches on.


Jozis Tin Man10 Nov 2016 6:57 a.m. PST

I mourn you till I join you. I have not played in years, but it was my first set of miniatures rules I played after DBA in the 90's.

Dervel Fezian10 Nov 2016 7:46 a.m. PST

Not sure where you got that information, but it seems your source is incorrect.

There was a 15mm DBM tournament running all weekend, one of my friends was playing in it… They had tables set up Thursday Saturday. Rob Cunningham was running it, I don't know how many played because they do an open format where you and your opponents schedule games. The goal being to get three games in over the weekend. I have a picture of the setup before they started. Rob did a nice job.

In fact there were DBM games in 15mm and 25mm. Although I am not sure if the 25mm were just pick up games or a tournament since they were mostly on Thursday evening.

I did not see any DBMM, but they may have been there. I know the Warrior guys were playing. ADLG was certainly the biggest group of ancients in the tournament area and seems to be doing well.

Dervel Fezian10 Nov 2016 8:03 a.m. PST

Just checked with one of the players…. there were 8 DBM players in the 15mm Tournament.

Pre-set terrain boards.

Drusilla199810 Nov 2016 8:28 a.m. PST


I stand corrected and apologize. It's great to see the DBX systems still being played at conventions, especially in both 15mm and 25mm…….

I happen to play DBMM and I know there were no DBMM games being played at Fall In. We will be putting on a DBMM tournament at Cold Wars, so at least there will be some representation of those rules, but other then that, very little DBMM is being played at conventions.


Dervel Fezian10 Nov 2016 9:09 a.m. PST

No problem, just trying to make sure the count was accurate… while 8 is not a huge turnout, it is not bad for DBM. It requires pretty large armies so is limiting to some people.

Unfortunately I don't know how the ADLG event went in numbers, I know it certainly looked busy.

I walked through the tournament area many times, but I was demoing Triumph in the Distlefink. So I did not spend much time there. I know Ansley spent most of the weekend in the tournament hall playing DBM so he should have a pretty good idea what was going on there. However, it would be interesting to hear from people who actually presented or played in the ancients events as to the actual turnout.

Also FOW and even 40K, because they now share a large portion of the hall. In fact it looked like the 40K area is growing.

I did not see any SAGA, Bolt Action, or the French and Indian war games I have seen in recent past which surprised me.

I know we had 71 players who filled out contact info after playing a game or participating in the campaign games of Triumph which was very encouraging this was not counting our Demo team of 7. Many of these players were new to ancients too…

So maybe we can get some feedback on how the rest of the events went over the weekend.

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2016 9:23 a.m. PST

I saw quite a few SAGA games going on. They were in the very front of the Lampeter room as you walk in, A friend of mine from Michigan was playing. Two other friends from Connecticut we're playing bolt action, but not as a tournament I think.

Given what I saw on the tournament hall and the comments that I heard being made, I think L'Art de la Guerre Will be the primary game of choice for ancient players.

aynsley68310 Nov 2016 9:36 a.m. PST

Yes we had 8 players playing over 2 days and some side games on Thursday evening. Two players cancelled from Ohio, as one had to do some college thing last minute and the other was car pooling with him.

It's interesting to note ADLG uses the same format our little DBM lot does, i.e. play as many or few games as you like, with players generally arranging matchups themselves, except this time when Rob had set up a pre-set terrain weekend. It gets rid of the tournament grind ( wrong word but not sure what else to use) where you used to barely have time for food let alone shopping.

There was a Saga event going on at least one day, that was just beside our tables so am unsure of numbers but saw at least 4 games at one time.

Warrior seemed a bit low in numbers, whenever I've looked before they always had 4 or 5 games going at once, this time it was 2 or 3 at any one time over the two days. They have some very well painted 25's that I like to look at to get some ideas for colour schemes etc. in different armies.

Didn't see Scott Holder at all and let's face it he has been a fixture there for as long as I can remember.

I over heard the table organiser person mutter that FOW had gown while he wasn't looking, because he was short on tables sat morning.

Dervel Fezian10 Nov 2016 9:57 a.m. PST

ok, I completely missed the Saga event, I thought it used to be in the area where the 40K guys were playing?

Like I said I kept walking through, so only had snapshots of the room.

I assumed ADLG had to be doing well because I could not get any 40mm x 30mm bases! I think those are one of the more common sizes used in that system and they was only an empty bin. So speculating on whether they didn't bring enough or the ADLG players beat me to the bin.

FOW appeared to be using the area where they had the Bolt Action events before and their previous area as well.

Anyone have a count on the other tournaments?

Drusilla199810 Nov 2016 11:11 a.m. PST

It's great to see so many players playing ancients. from what I heard, there were 30 ADLG players in the Friday events, with 18 – players in the 15mm tournament and 12 – players in the 25mm event. That is very respectable.

I was told that the Triumph rules are being very well received and many from our NY/NJ area have been smitten by the Triumph bug! Maybe this could lead to tournaments in our area.

There are so many people playing ADLG in NJ, that we will be holding local events, starting early next year, so ancients are still popular here.


Great to see.


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