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Monk de Wally de Honk20 Oct 2011 4:30 a.m. PST

Don't ask me why! You know why! I have Impetus based little warriors but I feel I NEED to try out either Clash of Empires or Hail Caesar. Convince me, please.

Jeremy Sutcliffe20 Oct 2011 4:54 a.m. PST

I have both. As yet I've only tried HC.

HC immediately suits me as most of my ancient troops are DBx based and although the rules organises its units by figure numbers units are still large small or tiny with no figure removal so it's easy to do work it out by number of DBX modules rather than figures.

CoE, on a first reading appears, to work on figure based units as WAB so it is a question as to whether your Impetus basig is flexible enough tomeet this.

JonFreitag20 Oct 2011 8:54 a.m. PST

Meeples and Miniatures podcast #77 has a review of each ruleset and a comparison.

I found the reviews interesting and helpful.


Lord Raglan20 Oct 2011 11:51 a.m. PST

Don't both with either, have a look at War and Conquest when it's realised next month.


JJMicromegas20 Oct 2011 4:52 p.m. PST

Stick to Impetus.

DeanMoto20 Oct 2011 5:49 p.m. PST

Can't comment on CoE or Impetus (haven't read or played them yet), but here is a web article about HC basing link

Jeremy Sutcliffe20 Oct 2011 11:41 p.m. PST

Bearing in mind that a large number of 28mm ancients gamers will have their figures based to what has become the WAB standard and the artistic effort that many put into basing, it's not surprising that Priestley felt he had to specify basing sizes which apparently matched that norm

In reality it doesn't matter and in fact figure based units would represent a distinct change of approach for a set of rules which has evolved out of Warmaster via Blackpowder.

In both BP and HC units ae defined as Large, Standard, Small , or Tiny. In BP they are further defined by the number of stands, in HC by number of figures. However as there is no figure removal the basis the players decide to use is immaterial.

All this has to be considered in the light of the workbook nature of both BP and HC which leaves a lot to the friendly agreement between players.

Manflesh21 Oct 2011 5:20 a.m. PST

If you can find some way of making Impetus basing work with Clash of Empires, play both!

Hail Caesar, as explained above, is a bit more flexible with your impetus bases.


kabrank21 Oct 2011 7:05 a.m. PST

We use DBM basing for HC [15mm figures] [as all our forces are DBM based]. 2 bases for tiny units, 4 bases for small units, 6 bases for standard units and 8 bases for large units.

Worked well so far in the 4 games [classical] played so far

Jeremy Sutcliffe21 Oct 2011 1:03 p.m. PST

And because one is using stands, you can treat those with 4 and 3 figures as being equivalent.

MWCentre22 Oct 2011 1:44 a.m. PST

HC and CoE are two very different rules sets and will appeal to different people.

CoE is a replacement for WAB and if you liked WAB you will like CoE.

HC is more designed for large to very large games uaing scenarios rather than the 2000pts a side stand up fight.

So it really depends on what sort of gammer you are as to which set of rules you choose.

UK John22 Oct 2011 3:20 a.m. PST

why not War and Conquest?

MWCentre22 Oct 2011 9:43 a.m. PST

Because War and Conquest hasn't been released yet.

Captain Swing22 Oct 2011 9:50 a.m. PST

Church of England or Holy Catholic??

May be getting something wrong with the acronyms here….


Stuart at Great Escape Games27 Oct 2011 6:41 a.m. PST

Basing is really flexible in Clash of Empires. I am working on an Anglo-Danish army at the moment and my infantry units of 30 men are based on a single diorama base with 10 or so based on pennies to remove as casualties. Impetus bases will be fine.

Anyway, buy both.

MWCentre28 Oct 2011 3:24 p.m. PST

The new army book for CoE is now available and has loads of lists for the Persian/Greek/Macedonian era.

brevior est vita30 Oct 2011 11:04 a.m. PST

The new army list book for HC is now available, as well:
TMP link

Stuart at Great Escape Games30 Oct 2011 1:36 p.m. PST

"The new army book for CoE is now available and has loads of lists for the Persian/Greek/Macedonian era."


Stuart at Great Escape Games30 Oct 2011 2:40 p.m. PST

"The new army book for CoE is now available and has loads of lists for the Persian/Greek/Macedonian era."

Right here:
TMP link

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