| panzerjager | 25 Aug 2008 2:34 p.m. PST |
I have been playing this neat little set of rules lately. Basicly I am taking 4 DBM stands and making them a "unit" in 2x2 formation. I have a bunch of paritally based and loose Greek Hoplites. I plan to base them similarly in a 2x2 stands configuration. My question is this. Would you put 3 or 4 castings to a base? This would make either a 12 or 16 figure unit. While the 16 figure would certainly look more prickly with all those spears would it be the appropriate look? Obivously, I would get more stands if I only put on 3 castings. I realize this is partly a matter of taste. But I would like different opinions and any ideas from others playing this rule set. Thanks PzJ |
| lugal hdan | 25 Aug 2008 3:04 p.m. PST |
4 per base would look better IMHO. |
| Cold Steel | 25 Aug 2008 3:11 p.m. PST |
Ditto 4 figures. Hoplites fought in a very close packed formation, with shields overlapping and the rear ranks placing their shields in the small of the back of the rank in front of them and pushing. 3 figures look more like loose order troops. |
| religon | 25 Aug 2008 3:15 p.m. PST |
In 15mm, 4 per base. In 25/28mm 4 is prefereable, but some figures work better with 3 per base. |
| The Tin Dictator | 25 Aug 2008 4:05 p.m. PST |
In 15mm I'd go 6 per base. |
| losart | 26 Aug 2008 1:29 a.m. PST |
it also depend on size (and on poses) of figures (Xyston may require less figures tha Essex), but I agree that they have to look a packed formation. |
| plasticviking2 | 26 Aug 2008 1:54 p.m. PST |
I use 12 men on a base. I put 2 ranks of 5 and then a musician or standard bearer and detachable officer which I use to indicate disorder. The group can be set close enough together on the base to look like a close order unit and i use the shallow bases. peltasts and psiloi i put on the deeper bases to emphasise the difference. if i used 16 figures i would not save anything – painting time or money – which is one advantage of these rules. |
| ian471 | 26 Aug 2008 4:01 p.m. PST |
I would suggest 4 bases each of 4 figures in 15mm. Looks good and gives you maximum fexibilty for possible use of other rule sets.
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| dejvid | 29 Aug 2008 5:23 a.m. PST |
>>Ditto 4 figures. Hoplites fought in a very close
>>packed formation, with shields overlapping and
>>the rear ranks placing their shields in the small
>>of the back of the rank in front of them and pushing. We don't know how closely they fought together.
Hanson does think they fought so crammed together.
However, Hans van Wees puts powerful arguments
in favor of more open formations. >>3 figures look more like loose order troops. That is true but not because of how the Greeks fought
but of what dba lays down. |
| Steve Holmes 11 | 14 Sep 2008 5:21 a.m. PST |
All my stdies of hoplite warfare (Second hand since I don't read Greek) suggest a particularly close formation for the Hoplites. The effects are the gredual right shift of advancing groups as each man moved in behind the "Overhang" of his rightmot neigbours shield.
Lots of references to Hoplite battles with both Right sides outflanking each other. Most drama and poetry on the subject mentions the need to maintain a cohesive formation, not break ranks and not charge ahead of the main body. All these tend to point to usng the closest possibe formation (So 4 man per base). There's always the old "Compatible with WRG standards" argument which suports 4 men per base. |
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