"Medieval Warfare by Terry Gore" Topic

Is anyone out there using these rules?

In re-reading them last night, I remembered why they had been consigned to the shelf the first go around.

The rules appear to be a bit cavalier in the use of the term "ranks". This is probably fine using individually based figures but raises some issues if using larger, multi-figure stands.

In describing the bases, the rules state that a 40mm x 40mm stand holds four figures in two ranks; there is no provision for smaller stands and the combat system works on these stands. Later in the rules it becomes an issue as, for example, 2 1/2 ranks of pike may fight in melee; three ranks of longbowmen may fire if they have defensive orders; and Burgundians may have a rank of halberdiers in the front of their bowmen.

In the appendix, a chap describing his Wars of the Roses army states that longbowmen may fire three stands deep.

This later comment appears to make more sense in light of the stand structure although it does require significantly more figures.

Is there a concensus among players? Is a rank a row of figures or a row of stands?

Thanks.

Since it is the stands that matter in these rules (and not the individual models on them), I would interpret a rank as referring to a a row of stands.

That is my assumption but wanted to see if anyone had any insight from having played them. Thanks.

I would interpret a rank as referring to a a row of stands.

Correct.

Also models matter as much as stands do in the original game if memory serves. Stands could have 2, 3 or 4 figures on them. As casualties are taken, a figure is lost. When the last figure on the stand is hit, the stand is removed.

Correct Joker.
Our club plays these rules often. We like them tremendously.
We use WRG basing, so "ranks" are the same for figures and stands.

Don't know if the site is still up but before Terry died, he had a web page with examples pf play / complete battles on it. If still available, it might help.

JJ

Thanks, all.

angelfire.com/on/saga

link

maybe of some help. I know there was an original SAGA Yahoo group that has been spammed to death once Terry was gone, and a new group opened up on Yahoo, but firewalled from work so I can't give you the links.

Cheers,

JJ

May I jump in here with a few comments. In the original edition that Terry self published all basing was ala WRG/DBA. I do know it was easy to use other base schemes. Once published by Foundry (?) they redid the base scheme a bit to incorporate different figure scales and to allow th use of other rules bases. It has 3 different base schemes.

Medieval Warfare and its other series are a very good and well thought sets of rules. Long ago when the web was young I used to host his Saga web site inside of my personal site. Terry would send me the scans and I would put his magazine pages up there. Once the web caught on more he moved over to his own site dedicated to Saga and his Medieval Warfare series of games.

I followed the link in the above text and it is so sad to see one's friends sites still up with their last thoughts and words.

That's all. I know Terry has been lamented here and elsewhere as he should but that you for the link and the reminder of his spirte.

Great set of rules.

Ditto above. Still own the original non-Foundery version.