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Mon Nov 15 19:47:48 PST 1999 |
Voters = 43 |
ANCIENTS VOTING RESULTS:
Voters, By Period - Greece
Favorite Rules | ||
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rules | percentage | |
Archon | 23% | |
De Bellis Multitudinis | 19% | |
Armati | 12% | |
Warhammer Ancient Battles | 12% | |
Might of Arms | 9% | |
Tactica | 9% | |
Classical Hack | 5% | |
Athena | 2% | |
De Bellis Antiquitatis | 2% | |
Legion & Empire | 2% | |
Legions & Lions | 2% | |
WRG Ancients | 2% |
Rules Regularly Played | ||
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rules played regularly | percentage | |
De Bellis Antiquitatis | 43% | |
Archon | 33% | |
De Bellis Multitudinis | 26% | |
Armati | 24% | |
Warhammer Ancient Battles | 24% | |
WRG Ancients | 17% | |
Might of Arms | 14% | |
Tactica | 12% | |
Classical Hack | 7% | |
Shock of Impact | 7% | |
Wargame Rules 1420-1700 | 5% | |
Ancient Empires | 2% | |
Ancient Wargames Rules | 2% | |
Athena | 2% | |
Holy Hack | 2% | |
Legion & Empire | 2% | |
Legions & Lions | 2% | |
Sword & Shield | 2% | |
Universal Soldier | 2% |
Number of Rules Regularly Played | ||
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number of rules played regularly | percentage | |
1 rules played | 40% | |
2 rules played | 24% | |
3 rules played | 14% | |
4 rules played | 14% | |
5 rules played | 2% | |
6 rules played | 2% | |
7 rules played | 2% |
Rules Tried | ||
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rules played at least once | percentage | |
De Bellis Antiquitatis | 79% | |
De Bellis Multitudinis | 64% | |
WRG Ancients | 62% | |
Armati | 57% | |
Tactica | 50% | |
Warhammer Ancient Battles | 38% | |
Archon | 36% | |
Classical Hack | 24% | |
Ancient Empires | 19% | |
Might of Arms | 19% | |
Shock of Impact | 19% | |
Wargame Rules 1420-1700 | 19% | |
Fast Play Rules For Ancient Warfare | 14% | |
Holy Hack | 12% | |
Legion | 7% | |
Legio | 5% | |
The Killing Ground | 5% | |
Ancients | 2% | |
Clash | 2% | |
Gladiators | 2% | |
Glutter of Ravens | 2% | |
Irregular Ancient Rule Box | 2% | |
Legion & Empire | 2% | |
Legions & Lions | 2% | |
Siege | 2% | |
Spear & Shield | 2% | |
Sword & Shield | 2% | |
Wargame Rules for Entire Battles | 2% |
Number of Rules Tried | ||
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number of rules played | percentage | |
3 rules played | 17% | |
5 rules played | 14% | |
6 rules played | 14% | |
10 rules played | 12% | |
2 rules played | 12% | |
4 rules played | 12% | |
9 rules played | 7% | |
12 rules played | 5% | |
7 rules played | 5% | |
1 rules played | 2% |
Voters, By Experience | ||
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level of experience | percentage | |
Up To Twenty Years | 40% | |
Twenty Years or More | 21% | |
Up To Ten Years | 21% | |
Two to Three Years | 14% | |
Novice | 2% |
Voters, By Region | ||
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region | percentage | |
North America | 73% | |
Europe | 23% | |
Africa | 3% | |
Western Pacific | 3% |
Voters, By Setting | ||
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usual game setting | percentage | |
With a friend or two | 58% | |
At the local club | 30% | |
At the local game store | 7% | |
At gaming conventions | 2% | |
Solitaire | 2% |
Number of Armies | ||
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number of armies owned or used | percentage | |
2 army/armies | 12% | |
9 army/armies | 12% | |
10 army/armies | 10% | |
3 army/armies | 7% | |
12 army/armies | 5% | |
15 army/armies | 5% | |
25 army/armies | 5% | |
4 army/armies | 5% | |
5 army/armies | 5% | |
11 army/armies | 2% | |
13 army/armies | 2% | |
16 army/armies | 2% | |
17 army/armies | 2% | |
18 army/armies | 2% | |
19 army/armies | 2% | |
21 army/armies | 2% | |
28 army/armies | 2% | |
35 army/armies | 2% | |
43 army/armies | 2% | |
46 army/armies | 2% | |
6 army/armies | 2% | |
68 army/armies | 2% | |
7 army/armies | 2% | |
8 army/armies | 2% |
Armies Owned/Used | ||
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armies owned or used | percentage | |
Later Hoplite Greek | 55% | |
Gallic | 52% | |
Ancient British | 43% | |
Marian Roman | 43% | |
Alexandrian Macedonian | 38% | |
Early Imperial Roman | 36% | |
Later Achaemenid Persian | 36% | |
Early Hoplite Greek | 33% | |
Late-Roman West | 33% | |
Later Carthaginian | 33% | |
Polybian Roman | 33% | |
Early German | 29% | |
Early Spartan | 29% | |
Camillan Roman | 26% | |
Early Seleucid | 26% | |
Late-Roman East | 26% | |
Middle Imperial Roman | 26% | |
Early Achaemenid Persian | 24% | |
Later Seleucid | 24% | |
Sub-Roman British | 24% | |
Alexandrian Imperial | 21% | |
Early Byzantine | 21% | |
Hellenistic Greek | 21% | |
New Assyrian | 21% | |
Parthian | 21% | |
Early Roman | 19% | |
Early Saxon | 19% | |
Macedonian Early Successor | 19% | |
Middle Anglo-Saxon | 19% | |
Patrician Roman | 19% | |
Pontic | 19% | |
Pyrrhic | 19% | |
Thracian | 19% | |
Early Carthaginian | 17% | |
Later Macedonian | 17% | |
Later Sassanid | 17% | |
Dacian | 14% | |
Early Sassanid | 14% | |
New Kingdom Egyptian | 14% | |
Ancient Spanish | 12% | |
Antigonid | 12% | |
Early Frankish | 12% | |
Early Gothic/Vandal | 12% | |
Early North Greek | 12% | |
Hittite | 12% | |
Hunnic | 12% | |
Syracusan | 12% | |
Caledonian/Pictish | 10% | |
Early Ptolemaic | 10% | |
Eumenid | 10% | |
Galatian | 10% | |
Gepid/Lombard | 10% | |
Later Ptolemaic | 10% | |
Lysamachid | 10% | |
Palmyran | 10% | |
African Vandal | 7% | |
Bactrian and Indo-Greek | 7% | |
Dark Age and Geometric Greek | 7% | |
Early Indian | 7% | |
Italian Ostrogothic | 7% | |
Later Visigothic | 7% | |
Mede | 7% | |
New Babylonian | 7% | |
Numidian | 7% | |
Old & Middle Kingdom Egyptian | 7% | |
Skythian | 7% | |
Alan | 5% | |
Early Armenian | 5% | |
Early Assyrian | 5% | |
Early Canaanite | 5% | |
Early Hebrew | 5% | |
Early Libyan | 5% | |
Early Northern Barbarian | 5% | |
Etruscan | 5% | |
Illyrian | 5% | |
Jewish Revolt | 5% | |
Later Libyan | 5% | |
Maccabean Jewish | 5% | |
Moorish | 5% | |
Mycenean & Minoan | 5% | |
Campanian/Apulian | 2% | |
Chinese Border Nomad | 2% | |
Cyropaedic Persian | 2% | |
Early Syrian | 2% | |
Han Chinese | 2% | |
Hyksos | 2% | |
Kushan | 2% | |
Kushite Egyptian | 2% | |
Later Hebrew | 2% | |
Libyan Egyptian | 2% | |
Lydian | 2% | |
Neo-Elamite | 2% | |
Nubian | 2% | |
Pergamene | 2% | |
Philistine | 2% | |
Saitic Egyptian | 2% | |
Samnite/Umbrian | 2% | |
Scots-Irish | 2% | |
Sea Peoples | 2% | |
Slav | 2% |
Periods Played | ||
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period | percentage | |
Greece | 100% | |
Rome | 88% | |
Decline of Rome | 58% | |
Persia | 42% | |
Egypt | 23% | |
Assyria | 21% | |
Competitive/Tournament | 16% | |
India | 16% | |
What-If | 16% | |
Hittite | 14% | |
China | 2% |
Number of Periods Played | ||
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number of genres/periods played | percentage | |
3 periods | 30% | |
2 periods | 19% | |
4 periods | 16% | |
6 periods | 12% | |
5 periods | 9% | |
7 periods | 7% | |
8 periods | 5% | |
1 periods | 2% |
Scales Used | ||
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figure scale | percentage | |
15mm | 77% | |
25mm | 56% | |
6mm | 14% | |
20mm | 12% | |
1/72nd scale | 2% | |
2mm | 2% |
Number of Scales | ||
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number of figure scale(s) used (per person) | percentage | |
1 figure scale(s) used | 49% | |
2 figure scale(s) used | 40% | |
3 figure scale(s) used | 12% |
RECENT BATTLE REPORTS |
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James Hamilton |
The last round of the BHGS competition in Leeds. Due to a lot of bad luck and some poor play I was in last place going into the last round. I was using a Hindu Indian army designed to beat the kinght armies that I expected to be there. Up till this point I had not me a knight army, this tine I did and the Feudal Spanish had no chance and what little they had was not helped by a late arriving flank march. The Hindu Indiand won 10-0 with the loss of 2 and a half elements [25 Sep 1999] |
Tony Barr |
Camapaign game from the Antiquity Campaign I run at the Humberside Wargames Society. I take the part of independent provinces when invaded by players. Yesterday I was Rhoxolani Sarmatians against the player controlled Sarmatians. I lost.... [19 Sep 1999] |
Scott Cameron |
I played a game of Legion & Empire against James Manto(rules designer) that involved a force of Sassanid Persians against a Late Roman army. Since I usually play the Sassanid persians, I decided to switch and try the Roman army for a change. The Romans were unlitmately victorious as the Sassanids over exteneded themselves after a successful carge against my line, they were surrounded and hacked down! Glory for Rome! [08 Sep 1999] |
derek ian de villiers |
Played DBM Late Roman Eastern (me) against Horse Barbarians - I got slaughtered! He used heavy cavalry to punch a hole in my battle line splitting my right flank off from the rest of my army. My knights were on my left flank and they could not really catch his light cav - largely useless. My right flank consisted of cav - he killed these first! and aux supported by psiloi (later died fast); my general was the last to die of cav, whereupon the whole command became demoralized. He sent 5 elements into my rear and they killed by baggages, by which time I had lost one third of my command. I felt quite despondent! I could use some advice on how to play with a Roman army! [7 Sep 1999] |
Chuck Turnitsa |
Last ancients game was a 25mm meeting between Carthago and Rome, and it was glorious. There were stampeding elephants, skirmishers doing "rude" things in the scrub, and legionaires who (led by their commander) stood in the line until the last man died of blood loss!! By the way, the rules used were Might of Arms, which I highly recommend as a very fun rule set. Exploits of this and other battles can be seen at http://www.netcolony.com/members/odms under "After Action Reports". [03 Sep 1999] |
Mike Hillsgrove |
Romans vs Carthaginians, a training/teaching game for a frienbd using Might of Arms rules. Romans won by cracking the Carthaginian main battle line. [02 Sep 1999] |
Francis Reed |
A friend of mine & I played a game of Classical Hack 24 hours ago between a Hellenistic Greek force vs a Later Macedonian force of about 500 points each. The Macedonians won on the front & the left flank. No terrain to speak of but we had fun in about 2 hours. Francis Reed [20 Aug 1999] |
Ben Waterhouse |
Fought my son James (12) to a standstill with my Byzantines against his Vikings using Warhammer Ancient Battles. A small encounter battle with no terrain, 1000 points, using the fantastic Gripping Beast figures. This was a major ploy by me to wean him off ridicuosly expensive 40K gaming (because I pay for it). He loves ancients now and we plan early Imperial Rome versus Ancient Brits armies next; now for his little friends.... [19 May 1999] |
Michael Frang |
Two or three times a year before an upcoming convention the club usually gathers so that all those going will get a little 'Armati' practice for the tournament. Last time for practice, I managed to draw 'Calculating George' and his Alexandrian army. My army of choice was a successor, Pyrrhic. So far riding on a string of victories. This time, however, I fell victim to the Alexander's brilliance, i.e. the initiative bonus, and a dismal showing on the part of my "elite 5 cav." But, never fear, I thought to myself - we'll just call up Doug and thrash those Romans again! Aye, that's the spirit! [17 Jun 1999] |
K. A. Brown |
Small battle: Marian Rome vs. Early Spartans. The Romans were beaten, maunly due to being enveloped, and losing the general (his unit was hit in flank). Nasty game all in all. I failed to keep my focus :( [7 Jun 1999] |
SELECTED OLDER BATTLE REPORTS |
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K. T. |
I fought an ahistorical contest between an Early Imperial Roman force and Porus Indians. The battle was fought using the Archon rules and actually turned out to be rather exciting. The Indian cavalry nearly enveloped the Roman infantry, but failed to pass their courage tests at a most inopportune time. The Roman infantry then crushed the Indian infantry in the center resulting in the Indian army routing. [12 May 99] |
Chris Lowrey |
My last game was a small one using the Archon rules - a battle between the Romans and Carthaginians. [3 May 99] |
Philip J. Viverito |
Fought 3 Dacian war scenarios. The Watch Tower. Dacians attack a Roman watch tower on the Danube. Dacians destroyed the Roman Auxilia as the legion came on to late. Dacians in the Field-Dacians fought the Romans of Trajan in an open battle. Romans were fought to a draw. Dacians in the passes. The Romans had two passes to secure to enter Dacia. The Romans cleared the passes. [14 Apr 99] |
Bob Jones |
A typical forest action a depleted legion versus a Gallic Hoard. Nip and all the way with the Romans breaking the Gaul's morale at the very end and holding the ground. [3 Apr 99] |
Bill Hawkes |
Hittites vs Egyptians, 15mm Tactica rules (home-brew Hittite list). I altered the existing Egyptian list to a more New Kingdom style: no cavalry, added one unit of Shardana Guard HI (24 figs, FV 5-6, +2 morale, swords). Hittites attacked on left and Egyptians withdrew slowly. The Pharaoh tried to counterattack too late on his own left, while the Hittite numbers overwhelmed the Egyptian right wing. [31 Mar 99] |
Dan Dione |
Late Assyria vs. Babylonian revolt. The Babylonians attempted to hold a stream line against the Assyrians entering at uncertain locations in column of march. The Assyrians came in at the far left flank among the low hills and got hung up against good mountain auxiliaries. The Assyrian cavalry commander overextended his attack and was taken in the flank by Midianite camel scouts. The cavalry broke and fled back through the non-yet-deployed archer line, which found its morale shaking. The Babylonian general then moved his reserve horse in against the weakened line and routed it with another flank attack. The Assyrian army then withdrew in reasonable order. If the Assyrian commander had been more patient in the advance and deployed properly on arrival, the results would probably have been very different. The best Assyrian troops, the veteran palace spear/archer units, never got into the battle. Cohort and Phalanx 0.5 (house rules). [31 Mar 99] |
jeff wasileski |
My last game used Piquet/Archon and was a scenario in which a rebel Egyptian army with Athenian hoplite allies were attempting to break out of a besieged island in the Nile. Their opposition was a Spartan-led Persian army which started out in a scattered position. The Athenians easily over-ran the Persian infantry opposing them but harrassment by Persian horse archers and command indecision on the part of the Egyptians allowed the Persian heavy cavalry to hit the rebel flanks and a small unit of Spartan hoplites broke the Athenians. [31 Mar 99] |
Gavin Fielder |
British Celts v's Roman. Romans set up on a hill facing Britons across a clear vally. Britons had left their chariots behind but pushed on regardless. kept advancing then charged up hill. On the left flank the British cav outnumbered the Roman cav 2-1 but still went down in a screaming heap ruining the expected envelopment. In the center the impetuous charge of the warbands broke one cohort but couldn't catch in persuit the other cohort held firm. On the British right flank skirmishers kept each other busy. Next turn the Broken Cohort rallied only to be charged again, this time they held Roman cav returned to main battle charging a warband in the flank causing the warband to rout never to return. The skirmishers kept doing their duty however the second warband was surrounded and broken causing a general withdrawl. In the end more Romans than Britons died however the Romans were left holding the field. But we shall return thistime with ye olde British panzer brigade. [31 Mar 99] |
Lee Barnes |
Subject:Wodenstag Ritter and Band of Brothers Wodenstag Ritter met last Wednesday night at Jim Cocran’s new DBM center. Boy, Jim nice wargaming room, but just wait until your wife finds out that you remodeled your basement for DBM. I’ll keep silent for some more figures. We had The ElephantSlayer Jim Cocran, Stormin Sam Salley, DeLaude Mike Barnes, Chris Cluckey as William Le’basturd, and myself play Stormin Normans vs Anglo-Saxons (Anglo-Danish list) at 400 pts. This was not Senlac hill, but nevertheless historical oppenents. Sam Salley, a friend of Mike’s, learned his name Stormin Sam by playing an excellent game. The battle terrain was largely open with a marsh on the right of the Anglo-Saxon lines, a road down the middle, a enclosed field to the left of the Normans. Chris was the C-in-C in the center with 13 Irr-KN(F). Stormin Sam had the left flank with 6 irr-KN(F)s and the infantry (X-bow, PS, SP) with BP of 9. I had Bishop OTTO and 6 irr-KN(F)s and the Breton Ally all on the right flank. The Anglo-Saxons line covered the whole field from the left of the marsh all to the left border. The right flank of the Anglo-Saxons beyond the marsh was covered by Viking Allies mostly IRR-BD(F). Poor, Sam, was left facing Vikings and Saxon Huscarls, until Chirs covered some the blades. The Normen plan was to charge straight with the KN, no dismounting, but if they had it would be as Irr-SP(O). The Bretons on the right were to try get around the left flank of the Saxon Fyrd. Stormin Sam charged the Vikings with his KNs, the rest of the KNs moved forward until 200P outside of the Saxon lines. The Bretons were slow in trying to turn the left, allowing the Saxons to deploy all the Fyrd across the field. Bishop (me) had lots of pips, but could not use them, due to waiting for the Bretons to get into position. Wm Lebastuar covered the center and most of the Saxon blades. The Saxon king Harold Godswine (Jim) and Erwin (Mike) moved forward trying to close with the KNs. Sam, as the Norman subgeneral Raymond, faced the Vikings and also King Harold’s mercenary Norman KN and Huscarls mounted as Cv(I). The CV(I) and Bd(F) popped two KNs of Stormin Sam’s. On the Left the Breton ally general died to the Fyrd SP(O) just before Bishop Ottos KNs hit the Fyrd, however the Bretons rallied to stay in the battle. Bishop Otto plowed into the left Saxon Flank, but within a hour Bretons broke fled the field without slaying any of the Fyrd. Bishop Otto later became a hero and slaughtered 4 stands of Fyrd, but he died surrouned by Fyrd. At this point we had two dead generals and one demoralized command. On our right, a cheer went up, Stomin Sam has slaying vikings and Saxon huscarls. William was slaying traitous Norman Kn and mounted Huscarls, Cv(I). Another, cheer has heard from the Normans as Willy slayed the false King Harold Godswine. The death of the false King was too much for the Saxon center and they started to flee the field. Jim had lost a total of 8 elements and could not rally the command. Then disaster struck the Normans as the “soon to be King” William was killed by the lowly knaven Huscarls. The Normans were staring defeat and death in the face, we had only one element to go before the Norman army was defeated. The Normans need 9 elements to defeat the Saxons and we had lost three of our four generals.. A loud cheer was heard from Mike as he proclaimed his general King of England. But Stormin Sam was not done. Stormin Sam proclaimed, “ Once more my dear Friends, Once more into the beach my Band of Brothers”. He was able to destory two more Vikings units, demoralizing that command. And suddenly the battle was over with the Saxon army fleeing the Field of Honor. Sam’s general Sir Raymond was proclaimed king on the battle field and the Norman conquest of England began. Lessons learned. 1. Do not crow before all your chickens are hatched. 2. With a large C-in-C command do not lead with the C-in-C, but use him as a reserve. 3. To the victor goes the right to write the battle report. [30 Mar 99] |
Name Removed |
My latest battle was part of a solitaire campaign using the S & T boardgame Caesar in Gallia for the strategic level, and Piquet/Archon for the tactical battles. My latest battle saw Caesar with four legions fighting Ariovistus on the German side of the Rhine. The battle opened with a furious attack by the Germans (they won the early impetus rolls). But by exchanging lines Caesar was able to keep his front intact, until three German warbands suffered a loss of heart (lost rolls after Ariovistus drew a Courage! card) and fled, destroying the morale of the entire German army. It was a total tactical victory for the Romans, and insured that Caesar would not have to worry about another German incursion - at least for this year! I've wargamed ancients since 1979, and have played a number of rulesets, beginning with WRG 6th. By 1993 I had finally become so dissatisfied with the existing rules that I briefly dropped out of active gaming. Piquet and Archon have put the fun and excitement back into wargaming for me! BTW, the very complex ancients version of Empire is entitled "Ancient Empires" (plural). Thanks for providing such a great web site! [30 Mar 99] |