"Cheesy Min/Maxed Armies & Tactics in Competitive Games" Topic

Last Stand Dan was gamemastering a TSATF game at one of the Florida conventions a few years ago. When asked if he would allow a certain shot, he responded, "Is it cheesy?" When the asker replied, "Yes," Dan then responded, "If it's cheesy, don't so it."

The rest of us at the table thought that was a great principle to apply in any games.

Rick

It bothers me, which is why I don't play the various popular rule sets that seem to attract this type of player.

I remember back in my WRG 5th ed tournament days playing against an identical army to mine.
I had Mauryan Indian, as did my opponent.
Was it my fault that Phil Barker's fertile imagination ruled that the only troop types not disordered by "scrub" were Light Infantry and elephants?
Was it my fault that the lists for my army had Light Infantry with 2 handed swords, javelin and shield, and that I fielded a unit and placed them in scrub?
Was it my fault that my opponent attacked them with Regular A Maiden Guard LMI (perhaps the most useless unit in the army)?
Knowing the rules (was it my fault that my opponent didn't?) I charged the routing unit with otherwise useless Indian cavalry in such a way that their rout path lead them behind his main line?

Forgive me (or not), but I've been fed up with whiners against "cheesy" armies going back to the previous century.
I always said that an army list was a task force. And with WRG stating that the figure:man ratio was 1:20, how many "men" does a 1000 point 150 figure army represent?

There are way too many "holier than thou" Pharisees involved in wargaming. They want to eliminate the square feet that tournaments take up at conventions. Are they really going to use that space to do Austerlitz over the weekend at 1:5 scale using Old School glossy painted 30mm figures?

This is why I hate point based games.

Not everything called cheesy is really cheesy. However the stuff that is really cheesy does bother me.

Other – not a tournament gamer.

The most accurate definition of a "cheesy" army is one that will beat mine.
That's what it all boils down to.

Other – Also not a competitive tournament player.

But I do use army lists to aid in creating my own armies for my early medieval gaming.

Jim

Yes it does bother me.

Which is why I love destroy said Cheesy, Min/Max armies with my very non-cheesy army.

Though some might say that my Ork & Goblin army would be cheesy because it has so many figures in it, even though most are just lowly Goblins.

Very interesting results so far, I am surprised.