robert piepenbrink  | 22 Dec 2025 4:59 a.m. PST |
Feels odd as an old SF fan saying 'not my genre" but this is video games and a sprinkling of TV and movies. Nothing here for the book reader and I doubt even the TV and movie people can discuss "best" in any terms other than "coolest looking." This is one point at which I feel George Lucas has a lot to answer for--importing WWII dogfighting into SF, and doing it in the form of a lot of pointless buzzing around and cool explosions. Actual WWII fighters had different capabilities, formations and tactics, but none of that made it to the big screen. I'll go be a buzzkill elsewhere now. |
Editor in Chief Bill  | 22 Dec 2025 5:21 a.m. PST |
Nothing here for the book reader… Guess "Battle Rider (Cyteen)" doesn't ring a bell?  |
John the OFM  | 22 Dec 2025 5:45 a.m. PST |
None of them ring a bell for me. I did see Independence Day, but can't remember the alien thingies enough for them to have made an impression. I'm totally unfamiliar with everything else. 🤷 |
Parzival  | 22 Dec 2025 6:30 a.m. PST |
It's my poll suggestion. But in reality, I know that space fighters are probably not realistic in any form, at least not as manned craft. Drones/AI craft make much more sense, both from the situational environment, high-end performance, and cost. Drones don't require life support or safety equipment, are not hindered by high G-forces, and every ounce of fuel solely goes to maneuvering/accelerating the craft, not to lugging along a meatsack pilot. So space fighters are probably nonsense as a sustained future development, no matter how they'd actually behave and function in reality. But we still love ‘em! And John, you've never heard of an A-wing or a B-wing?!? |
The Nigerian Lead Minister  | 22 Dec 2025 8:23 a.m. PST |
"Battle Rider (Cyteen)" is the only one that isn't an airplane in space. Got my only vote. |
robert piepenbrink  | 22 Dec 2025 9:44 a.m. PST |
Point. If it had said "ridership" and "Downbelow Station," I'd have caught it immediately, but I'd given up on Cheryh by Cyteen--and there the riderships are mentioned, but not described. They're just launched and recovered all pretty much in one scene. |
John the OFM  | 22 Dec 2025 10:06 a.m. PST |
And John, you've never heard of an A-wing or a B-wing?!? Are they obscure Star Wars thing? I didn't get any immediate memory jog, so no vote from me. One could legitimately game Star Wars fighters with just about any Great War biplane rules. Add Snoopy on/in his doghouse and the Red Baron. |
dilettante  | 22 Dec 2025 10:24 a.m. PST |
David Weber and Steven White had Fighters in the latter Starfire series of books. But the series was inspired by a set of boardgames. (named Starfire, Starfire II, etc.) |
miniMo  | 22 Dec 2025 11:55 a.m. PST |
It was an A-Wing that sunk the Super Star Destroyer, with a bridge critical hit! YouTube link |
Parzival  | 22 Dec 2025 2:08 p.m. PST |
Yep. The A-Wing and B-wing are from Return of the Jedi in the original trilogy of films. Kinda hard to miss, really. The A-wing looks like a flying shovel head. The B-wing looks like a lower-case "t" (and not at all like a B). And in fact there is a miniatures game for Star Wars fighters loosely based on the very successful Wings of War/Glory WWI fighter game. |
Parzival  | 22 Dec 2025 2:11 p.m. PST |
But as I said, this isn't about realism. If you want realism in SciFi, go visit the Atomic Rockets site: link This is about "that's cool" whether in visual format looks or written description. |
robert piepenbrink  | 22 Dec 2025 4:01 p.m. PST |
You know, they'd be cool if they were different. As for "A-wing" and "B-wing" you'd have lost me too, Parz. Don't remember any such names from the movies. A pity. You could actually do stuff in a WWII movie with the different fighter types varying in armament, range, speed, armor and handling at different altitudes. And I love the bit in A Piece of Cake where they're arguing about formations. But when I see SF fighters in movies and TV, evidently everyone on both sides is flying the same Sopwith Camel (or the same P-51) and the only differences are cosmetic. |
| The Last Conformist | 22 Dec 2025 9:49 p.m. PST |
Do they actually name the A-Wing and B-Wing in RotJ? They're, either way, the only ones I'm familiar with on the list, and they're boring bit players, so I'm voting Other. ETA: I guess I've seen the alien fighters from Independence Day, but they're too boring to even get a name. |