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Yesthatphil23 Mar 2015 3:54 a.m. PST

Strange how it has boiled down to a set of choices 1939 and more recent.

Does that mean people feel we have entered a new era of extreme asymmetry in warfare since the mid 20th Cent.? Or that we have much more information so can more easily call it for recent years?

Or does 'post war' just dominate the chatter …

Phil

Who asked this joker23 Mar 2015 5:10 a.m. PST

Dunno Phil. It's hard to top Grenada. 10,000 vs about 1200. Just 19 killed on the American side. Only 3 during the actual invasion operation. Thermopylae comes to mind for even more extreme odds but then again, the Spartans fought until they ran out of men. So, probably not lopsided on the actual battle account!

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2015 5:32 a.m. PST

Most lopsided would have to be Grenada – 7300 well trained, elite and well equipped US troops supported by the biggest Navy in the world versus 1500 poorly motivated locals and 800 or so Cubans

Good question about post 1939 but one thing is that with the ability of modern weapons conflicts go from aymetric to unreal pretty quickly

Pictors Studio23 Mar 2015 5:58 a.m. PST

I think that the Anglo-Zanzibarian War is more lopsided than Grenada.

You have a war between five modern (at the time) naval ships and less than a dozen artillery pieces.

The war lasted 38 minutes with 1 British soldier wounded and 500 Zanzibarians killed or wounded.

A casualty ratio of 1:500.

In Grenada the US led forces took 135 casualties vs. 1,125 for the Cubans and co.

So a ratio of less than 1:10.

Terrement23 Mar 2015 7:22 a.m. PST

Can't just use body count as the sole metric.

US vs. Seminoles

With the Seminoles undefeated, and unbeatable, the US found they could not win. US declared the war over but never signed a peace treaty.

Who else has held out so many decades against the same sort of powerful nation and at the end, is still not defeated?

Jakar Nilson23 Mar 2015 7:31 a.m. PST

Yeah, Anglo-Zanzibar War was definitely the choice.

Pictors Studio23 Mar 2015 8:38 a.m. PST

"Can't just use body count as the sole metric."

Certainly not. The fact that the Anglo-Zanzibarian War lasted for all of 38 minutes seems to indicate that it was also pretty lopsided.

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2015 12:02 p.m. PST

Apart from declarations by Congress, was the invasion of Grenada even a war?

Buff Orpington23 Mar 2015 12:04 p.m. PST

Anglo Zanzibar for me too.

Personal logo enfant perdus Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2015 12:13 p.m. PST

Yeah, Anglo-Zanzibar War was definitely the choice.

Agreed. There are clearly different definitions of "lopsided" in play, but as Pictors point out, that conflict hits all the criteria. Grenada is probably the next logical choice, or perhaps the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

I'm mystified by the inclusion of Poland '39. The Poles had a large and powerful military and put up a considerable fight. Not nearly as lopsided as Denmark in 1940, or the Low Countries.

Pictors Studio23 Mar 2015 12:25 p.m. PST

I thought Poland might have been included because they had to fight both Russia and Germany. I still don't think it was close to the most lopsided in history but it was pretty tough for them.

Personal logo optional field Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2015 4:37 p.m. PST


Yeah, Anglo-Zanzibar War was definitely the choice.

Beyond that, the British required the Zanzibaris pay for the cost of the RN's ammunition used in the conflict!

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