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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 4:42 a.m. PST

I've got armies for 1940-45--no Poles--but find middle east-north Africa most interesting, which centers me in 1941-43. Hard to fit this into a binary early/late war system.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 6:52 a.m. PST

I like early war a lot, but for whatever reason most of my minis are late war (Eastern Front and NW Europe 1944)

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 7:43 a.m. PST

What WW2 minis I have are early war – North Africa 1942 to early 1943 microarmor.

Jim

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 9:12 a.m. PST

US Armored Combat Commands and Canadian army for me Late War it is.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 9:14 a.m. PST

Hmph. This is worse than I thought. "Early war" extends to the end of the North Africa campaigns? If so, it really binary: "late war" begins with dunkelgelb, and everything else is "early war." I'd understood early war to be roughly Blitzkrieg era, late war to commence spring or summer of 1944, and 42-43 to be mid war. Clearly we need another poll!

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 12:53 p.m. PST

A common definition would be helpful.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 6:22 p.m. PST

Early war 1939 to 1942.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2023 4:39 a.m. PST

"To" or "through" OC?

irishserb27 Jan 2023 5:30 a.m. PST

After thinking about it for a couple of minutes, for me, it has more to do with the age of the design of the weapons (tanks) being used, than an actual date.

I tend to think of mid 1943 as the dividing line. Once the Panther and Tiger are in service, the games "feel" different to me. "Early war" involves designs that predate the war, "late war" involves those designed during the war.

Not scientific by any means, but the way I tend to think of it.

Forager27 Jan 2023 7:48 a.m. PST

I answered "late war, but had it been an option, I would have gone with "mid-war" instead.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2023 10:37 a.m. PST

I tend to end early war in the 1941, but maybe a little later in Russia then in North Africa, and for me, it has the same problem as Glory Years Napoleonics--only one army really understands the new way of war, and you have to place it under ridiculous handicaps to get a balanced game.

Late war (1944-45) has ground attack aircraft in cab ranks, which again makes it hard to balance. I only play when there's an overcast. And there's a fairly widespread agreement on doctrine and equipment.

But in between, you have serious differences in equipment and doctrine without the German edge being overwhelming, and you can credibly fight a brigade action without aircraft. For me, Crusader to El Guettar is a sweet spot. But other tastes clearly differ.

williamb27 Jan 2023 11:21 a.m. PST

Mid war 1943

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2023 12:08 p.m. PST

+1 willamb. 42-43 for me

SeattleGamer Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2023 11:29 p.m. PST

I will happily game any year of the war, and any theater, but I collect forces for Early War.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2023 4:13 p.m. PST

Pre-1942.

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