| John the Greater | 20 Jun 2020 9:45 a.m. PST |
You have to admire Alice Roosevelt Longworth for her honesty. She famously said: "If you can't say something nice about somebody…sit next to me." |
DisasterWargamer  | 20 Jun 2020 10:50 a.m. PST |
Had to go with Teddy – but Kermit Roosevelt would have been my 2nd |
ScottWashburn  | 20 Jun 2020 11:51 a.m. PST |
Teddy for sure. What an amazing man and great president. |
 Editor in Chief Bill   | 20 Jun 2020 1:53 p.m. PST |
And in at least two great films!  |
| robert piepenbrink | 20 Jun 2020 3:02 p.m. PST |
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| USAFpilot | 20 Jun 2020 3:46 p.m. PST |
Wow, I can't remember the last time I saw a poll that had such a decisive result. Usually don't see any choice make it past the 50% mark. |
 20thmaine | 20 Jun 2020 5:58 p.m. PST |
Not much love for 4 term president FDR? I guess the New Deal and winning WWII doesn't count for much…. |
| Mithmee | 20 Jun 2020 8:26 p.m. PST |
No it doesn't plus he did not win World War II. So Teddy it is. Better President as well. |
| Fitzovich | 21 Jun 2020 3:09 a.m. PST |
For me it is a tie between FDR and TR. Both were great leaders. |
| 20thmaine | 21 Jun 2020 3:55 a.m. PST |
No it doesn't plus he did not win World War II. So – the USA lost ? I feel like the man in the high castle….. |
| robert piepenbrink | 21 Jun 2020 8:03 a.m. PST |
I think Mithmee is trying to point out that being on the winning side is not synonymous with winning the war. Did Charles de Gaulle win WWII? How about my father, who was a WWII petty officer in the USN? (We can do the New Deal, but this really isn't the appropriate forum.) For me, TR was an American--first, last and always. He could tangle with the trusts and not forget that we were all Americans together. FDR had a tendency to prefer foreign friends to domestic critics, and I'm not always impressed by his taste in friends foreign or domestic. |
| Frederick | 21 Jun 2020 10:01 a.m. PST |
Have to agree with the overall thread – FDR was a great man, but not as great as Teddy |
| 20thmaine | 21 Jun 2020 10:31 a.m. PST |
Did Charles de Gaulle win WWII? Oh, I think we all know the answer to that one. de Gaulle was not noted for his modesty. |
| USAFpilot | 22 Jun 2020 6:43 a.m. PST |
Looks like TR is very well liked here on TMP. Not so much in NYC, where his statue is being taken down because it symbolizes American colonialism. The lunatics are running the asylum. |
| HansPeterB | 23 Jun 2020 10:51 a.m. PST |
Well, the statue does either symbolize colonialism, if the two subordinate figures represent continents, or simple racism, if they just represent "lesser races." I think its the composition that offends people rather than TR per se. It's a statue created for the museum back in 1930 or thereabouts, when TR's belief in the manifest superiority of white Anglo-Saxons and his support for American colonial aspirations were both perfectly acceptable. But times change, and so do museum displays. TR has a lot to his credit that are worth celebrating and memorializing, and perhaps we should focus on that. At the same time, though, we should not forget that even for his time some of his views were a little strange -- his enthusiastic support for negative eugenics (compulsory sterilization of "undesirables") for example. -- hpb |
| USAFpilot | 23 Jun 2020 11:42 a.m. PST |
Not much love for 4 term president FDR?I guess the New Deal and winning WWII doesn't count for much…. Under his watch, thousands of loyal Japanese Americans were unjustly put in internment camps. As long as we are being woke and all. |
| COL Scott ret | 23 Jun 2020 11:03 p.m. PST |
The "New Deal" would be the top reason to NOT vote for FDR. |
