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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 3:32 a.m. PST

Tough call. I went with Russia, since there was no coming back from that one, but it was Spain that started him on the downhill slope.

advocate23 Sep 2022 4:02 a.m. PST

I'm with Robert on this one, though I don't know sufficient details, particularly on the decision to attack Russia, to make more than a guess. In terms of the outcome, Spain weakened France while Russia sent it into terminal decline. Without Russia, Napoleon might have recovered from the difficulties in Spain.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 7:07 a.m. PST

Spain was a nuisance

Russia was the nail in the coffin

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 10:17 a.m. PST

Spain proved the French could be beaten and was an oozing sore that became gangrenous.

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 3:57 p.m. PST

Nail? Russia was the coffin itself

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2022 8:24 a.m. PST

Spain made 1809 possible, and you can see the decline in the quality of the French army. Of the seven corps trained at the Boulogne Camp, one was destroyed at Eylau, three went to Spain and slowly degraded, and the remaining three marched into Russia. That's an oversimplification, of course: but it's as good as most OOB work.

The 1805 army just might have caught and destroyed the Russian main body by Smolensk. But Napoleon no longer had that army at his disposal.

Radetzky March Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2022 7:18 p.m. PST

Not making a lasting alliance with Austria. Early campaigns
cost too many veterans.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Sep 2022 5:47 p.m. PST

If he hadn't gone into Spain it's quite possible he never would have thought it necessary to go into Russia.

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