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Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2025 5:52 p.m. PST

wondering if you should go?

You should.

Superb.

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 Jan 2025 3:35 a.m. PST

Looks good

John the OFM20 Jan 2025 7:52 a.m. PST

Joan Baez calling him an a****** is what intrigued me. 😄
I never knew that the vitriol against "electric" instruments by folkies was so strong. I thought it was confined to self professed "Commies" like Ewan MacColl.
When it shows up on TV, I'll tune in.

John the OFM20 Jan 2025 7:55 a.m. PST

Before anyone gets upset at me labeling anyone a "Commie", he was a folk singer. They all were! I mean, if you're going to protest as a working class hero, that's what you do!

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP20 Jan 2025 8:31 a.m. PST

"He may have won all the battles, but we had all the good songs"!

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP20 Jan 2025 8:55 a.m. PST

Oh, I don't think Joan Baez has made any secret of Bobby being something of an arsehole.

He's on occasion admitted as much himself.

You'd missed the Dylan goes Electric outrage? How is that possi….anyway, watch Don't Look Back, D A Pennebaker's film of the 1965 UK tour and you'll see it in action. Or Murray Lerner's film "Festival" and you'll hear the boos quite well.

John the OFM20 Jan 2025 11:09 a.m. PST

Can I just say that I never paid all that much attention to Bob's career? To me at the time he was just an annoying voice on AM radio. WARM, the Mighty 590! Just play the record, talk over the intro in an annoying "know it all voice" and cut to the commercial.
It's only much later that I heard about minor fusses, and I didn't care all that much. 🤷🙄

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP20 Jan 2025 6:17 p.m. PST

Although I'm far too young to remember it happening it has still always loomed large in my understanding of music. Dylan going electric at Newport is a pivotal moment, although it was hardly the first time he played electric so the shock and outrage always seemed rather odd

Ewan MacColl was not a fan of Dylan – very sniffy at The Critics Group by all accounts.

John the OFM20 Jan 2025 6:30 p.m. PST

"Doing my research", I found that a member of The Band hated being booed so badly he quit the tour with Dylan.
I know bits and pieces.
I know through the filter of Country Music, Charlie McCoy. Charlie, Nashville A Team, was a link from Dylan to Hee Haw. 😄🎶
McCoy brought Dylan to Nashville to record.

John the OFM20 Jan 2025 6:33 p.m. PST

Ewan wrote "The Shoals of Herring", and…… 🤷
Not exactly a Lord Almighty of Folk Songs, but Liam Clancy owns the song.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2025 2:22 a.m. PST

He also wrote "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"….and presumably lived off the royalties for the rest of his life.

And "Dirty Old Town".

He was a prolific recorder of traditional songs – and his new songs under the BBC Radio Ballads series (that's where Shoals of Herring comes from) were very influential.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2025 12:28 p.m. PST

I saw Dylan when in college on his first Electric tour. There were some boos at the presentation but most of us liked it.

Didn't know the Band was his back up. Those guys were great!

John the OFM21 Jan 2025 7:21 p.m. PST

For a long time I thought that a "genuine folk singer" had to be far Left, and have a grating singing voice. Ewan qualified on both counts. 🙄😄👍

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2025 8:30 a.m. PST

So not Joan Baez then ?

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Or Sandy Denny

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Focusing just on the grating voice criterion.

evil grin

John the OFM24 Jan 2025 9:17 p.m. PST

"A Complete Unknown" has a few Iscar nominations. For what that's worth. 🤷🙄

I should confine my description definition of having a grating voice to male singers. 😄🎶

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2025 6:53 p.m. PST

For once I would say it does deserve the nominations. Will it beat Conclave? Don't know, that is a hell of a film.

Dune 2 should pick up most of the technical Oscars.

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