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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2024 6:53 a.m. PST

American Heart Association study shows that daily use of marijuana increases the risk of heart attack by 25% and the risk of stroke by 42%.

"Medical marijuana" my Aunt Fanny…

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Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Mar 2024 12:04 p.m. PST

The fact that a substance has unwanted effects does not mean it cannot be used constructively as a medicine. Those are some pretty substantive problems that would need to be outweighed by a significant benefit.

The best discussion is here, at the NIH:
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The NIH discussion skips a couple points I usually make such as smoking MJ is an even worse way to get a consistent dose of the active chemicals and know what else you are getting than what they are discussing. If you read studies on other drug trials, there is a "dosage" section. It is usually 2-3 sentences. For smoking MJ, the dosage section is usually a page or two, sometimes longer. This calls into question whether or not people using MJ are actually doing what was described in excruciating detail in the study in order to get similar effects.

Studies of smoking MJ use a specific curated strain of the plant for consistency across studies. That is not what you buy at a dispensary. If a pharmaceutical company gave you a prescription pill with the variability in the studies (let alone the difference between studies and what is given out at dispensaries), you would sue the crap out of them.

It also doesn't point out that in all the studies I have read, purified THC used like an actual medical treatment doesn't have side effects like getting you high any more than ibuprofen (a small number of people get ill, feel slightly woozy, or are allergic). Most of the euphoric effects of smoking MJ do not come from THC, they come from the other substances (wide range) you get in various strains, those substances in combination with THC, and oxygen depravation from smoking in combination with THC.

My favourite thing to do when people say "studies show" is to ask them which studies (rarely do they know) and exactly what do they say (not someone's Twitter interpretation).

Also … deliberately inhaling a significant amount of smoke on a regular basis is bad for you. ;)

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2024 6:08 p.m. PST

Oh, I agree. But if what we were talking about were indeed carefully purified and dosed medicines derived from marijuana, following the established protocols for testing, human trials, review and such, that would be one thing. But that's not what most pro-pot people are thinking. They're thinking "it means I can smoke it if my doctor says it's ‘medicine.' Kewl." It's an argument used by the legalization crowd that doesn't fit what should be the actual meaning of the term.
And yes, using your lungs to inhale anything besides normal air (setting aside trace elements of other things) is logically a very unhealthy thing to do.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP02 Apr 2024 8:03 a.m. PST

Surprise, surprise!

Wolfhag Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2024 5:31 p.m. PST

etotheipi,
Also, ask them who paid for the study too.

FDA approval of a drug means that data on the drug's effects have been reviewed by CDER, and the drug is determined to provide benefits that outweigh its known and potential risks for the intended population.

Of course they are not going to mention that another criteria is will they still make a lot of money after the lawsuits that are almost sure to follow.

"Side effects" is a euphemism. They should be called "detrimental or life-threatening effects", just read the small print.

Wolfhag

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP05 Apr 2024 7:52 p.m. PST

"AHA: Pot Smoking Increases Risk of Heart Attack, Stroke"

Not to mention that legalization has lead to a massive spike in DUIDs and DUID fatalities. Last year every single DUI/DUID fatalty was from marijuana. Not a single alcohol case.

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2024 7:41 a.m. PST

Never get between an alcoholic or addict and their next fix.

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