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John the OFM | 11 Oct 2021 5:27 p.m. PST |
After The NY Times dug up a 7 year history of racist tweets, emails and whatnot. The Raiders and Gruden have parted ways. Good. I hate the Raiders. I love the classic WWE phrase, "We wish him well in his future endeavors." What an idiot. Classic Boomer, not realizing that there is no such thing as internet privacy. Good luck finding another job. |
John the OFM | 11 Oct 2021 5:46 p.m. PST |
"…racist, mysogynistic, anti-gay…" Plus anti Roger Goodell. Seven years worth. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. |
Parzival | 12 Oct 2021 1:25 p.m. PST |
Meanwhile, Deshaun Watson is still in the league. Anybody besides me see a disconnect? I care very little how a man mouths off in a private e-mail to someone he considers a confidant. I care very much what he actually does to other people. |
John the OFM | 12 Oct 2021 1:57 p.m. PST |
But Watson isn't playing. I guess he's still being paid. The main thing Gruden is guilty of is being stupid. ANYTHING you send via email, text, etc is kind of sort of permanent, particularly if those you are messaging have huge scandals and investigations going. That's ok. I hate the Raiders. But what everyone in sports journalism is wondering, why just him? Why not that idiot Snyder? Ah. He's an Owner. He's untouchable, even if the Redskins, excuse me, Football Team, have been irrelevant for years. So while the League is plundering Washington emails to save face, they stumble upon Gruden insulting Goodell. Hee hee. |
Parzival | 13 Oct 2021 5:03 a.m. PST |
The problem is, this is all "thought police" stuff. I know many people who "think things" which they do not act upon. They may mutter these thoughts in private moments, or when the adrenaline is high or they are feeling defensive, but they NEVER act out these thoughts and never would. I know people who have expressed all sorts of prejudices against all sorts of groups— yet I have watched these same people treat individuals from given groups with consistent respect and consideration. Are their prejudices to be condemned? Certainly. Are they to be condemned? If we start that (and we are) we will wind up condemning the whole world. I myself and wise enough to know that I have prejudices. But I make a concerted effort to set these aside, and do. The impulse of the moment is just that— an impulse. I can decide to be better than my impulses. I can choose. Am I perfect? Of course not. Sometimes my impulses get the better of me. When that happens, I feel shame, for myself, even though no one else may know such a thing has even happened. And I resolve to be better the next time. Because I know my own thoughts and how extreme they can flair, I can know that others are subject to the same extremes. Why should I hold that against them? I might be disappointed, but so what? I might even be wounded to learn that someone I respect or have treated with respect bears such thoughts towards me or people like me, and thus my respect for them is weakened. But I would not wish harm upon such a person, merely because sometimes their thoughts are disappointing. Sometimes my thoughts disappoint me as well! The way this is going, as we keep hurling stones back and forth, we will one day wake up to find that each of us is standing in big piles of broken glass. |
Wolfhag | 14 Oct 2021 6:42 a.m. PST |
The "Thought Police" are working overtime and they'll be coming for you. Wolfhag |
John the OFM | 14 Oct 2021 12:24 p.m. PST |
The real lesson to be learned is that if you have "unpopular" opinions, don't share them with someone willing to throw you under tha bus. . Or too stupid to hide or delete them. Both apply to the Washington Football Thing. Gruden wasn't smart enough to realize that his 1950s attitude wasn't going to work past 1969. He made his comments 7 or more years ago, but the times, they were a changing. Even back then. It's not a question of "free speech", but stupidity. Interestingly, the NFL has vowed that there will be no more releases of anyone else's emails. Whoa. The gauntlet has been thrown. That's like telling a hacker that your system is bulletproof. One week? Two weeks? I predict that Bill Belichick will emerge unscathed, because he don't tell nobody nothing. His thoughts are secure. But there are a lot of really dumb people running the NFL. |
John the OFM | 14 Oct 2021 12:25 p.m. PST |
Did I mention that I don't like the Raiders? |
Parzival | 14 Oct 2021 4:20 p.m. PST |
Just found out there was more than just language and thoughts— there were secret photos and films of the cheerleaders taken without their knowledge in their changing areas. That's not thought, that's criminal action. So, while I'm still opposed to thought police, this has ceased to be that. Good riddance, indeed. |
Ed Mohrmann | 15 Oct 2021 8:46 a.m. PST |
The OFM said: "Did I mention that I don't like the Raiders?" They ain't been 'Da Raidahs' since Al died and Madden retired…even Howie Long has mellowed in his older age, no more acerbic commentary such as characterized his early days as an 'analyst.' |
deephorse | 17 Oct 2021 1:55 a.m. PST |
The "Thought Police" are working overtime and they'll be coming for you. So Gruden's actions are OK by you, are they? Thanks for letting us know where you stand on this. Of course, if Gruden had simply left his thoughts as thoughts then none of this would have happened. There would have been no misplaced 'Thought Police' jokes. But once you commit such thoughts to paper, a screen, or verbalise them, you deserve everything that comes your way. |
Parzival | 22 Oct 2021 3:05 p.m. PST |
I don't care what someone says. That's free speech. And even more so when it's private speech. The essence of the right of free speech is the right to say something other people don't like— otherwise, we wouldn't need a 1st Amendment, nor the term "free speech." Nobody tries to restrict speech they like or agree with— only speech they don't. Think about that before you go "Big Brother" on somebody else. Of course, any company, especially one whose purpose is to publicly entertain its customers, has the right to decide if any of its employees detract from that entertainment or the company's public image, and take action against that employee, up to and including firing. And one should indeed be cautious about demeaning and denigrating others in any recorded form— it may indeed return to bite you. Having said that, I still go back to my concern not being over what he said (offensive and repulsive though it was), but rather his alleged willingness to participate in the dissemination of illegally obtained videos and photographs of cheerleaders in their locker rooms, acquired without either their consent or knowledge. If he did that, it's criminal, and he should face more severe penalties than just losing a coaching job. |
14Bore | 23 Oct 2021 2:26 p.m. PST |
Glad I gave up football last year after watching 51 years |
14Bore | 26 Oct 2021 3:08 p.m. PST |
Remember that often used line in school It will go on your permanent record Well it's true |
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