"Vaxxed dying at 6 times higher rate from so-called variants" Topic

Death rate from variant COVID virus six times higher for vaccinated than unvaccinated, UK health data show
Hospitalizations are also higher among thousands of fully vaccinated individuals who test positive for the Delta COVID ‘variant of concern.'

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Although "Both death rates among the unvaccinated and vaccinated are exceedingly low"

Agree. 👍

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Does anyone really trust these supposedly "media fact checks" sites anymore?

Do you have another source for the story? A source from main stream media that tries to make sure the facts a correct?

Anyone have any data on how much yearly revenue
MSM (including magazines) gets from pharmaceuticals
and other health-related advertisers ???

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So, that is not basing your opinion on what is actually written in the article.

Do you have another source for the story?

Perhaps you could actually read the story. The article provides a link to the report from Public Health England, which sources their numbers.

Death rate from variant COVID virus six times higher for vaccinated than unvaccinated,

Technically accurate in some sense, but grossly misleading.

35 unvaccinated people died from D. 26 died vaccinated died. These are the numbers cited from the report in the article.

How do they get six times? Well, they use the number of infected people in each category as the denominator. 35K unvaccinated people got sick and were treated for D, only 4K vaccinated.

The numbers being compared do not come from the same populations. In wargaming terms, it's like saying 100% of the females playing historical games at the conference won their games but less than 16% of the males did.

The comparison of Percentages from groups with different selection processes don't compare the way you think.

Using only the numbers cited in the article for the 6:1 ratio, you could also correctly say:

50% more unvaccinated infected died from D than vaccinated
9 times as many unvaccinated infected got D than vaccinated

The real kicker is when you add in that from the total population, the UK is about 80% vaccinated, so add that there are four times as many vaccinated as unvaccinated people. Now, compared to the total population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the UK:

600% more unvaccinated people than vaccinated got sick from D
The death rate for all unvaccinated people is from D is 36 times the rate for all vaccinated people.

It's rather amusing when people ask for links but freely give unlinked "quotes"; not to mention no links in the unsupported claims.

If that "media bias" check was checked for bias, what would the result be . . .

A source from main stream media that tries to make sure the facts a correct?

It is precisely the lack of checking facts by the main stream media and their shift to opinion pieces that people's trust in them has fallen in recent years. How often have we've heard stories presented as fact based on the old standby of "unnamed sources". The msm is disgusting,

Technically accurate in some sense, but grossly misleading.

Thanks for that analysis.

I don't trust ANYBODY's so called "fact checkers".
They are even more biased than the original source they are "checking". Plus, they have an agenda in place to prove their target wrong.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodies?" Or loosely translated, "Who fact checks the fact checkers?"

"Who fact checks the fact checkers?"

You.

You live in the 21st Century and have access to the Internet. You have access to primary sources that is unparalleled in history! The WWW (which is different from the Internet) was explicitly and purposefully designed to link information sources together in situ.

Except internet search engines are biased which give skewed results. So unless you know the WWW address, you must rely on a search engine which is controlled by Big Tech.

"A source from main stream media that tries to make sure the facts a correct?"

Hahahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've read in quite a while. After watching the decline of the msm over the last 30 years I don't trust them at all.

you must rely on a search engine which is controlled by Big Tech.

You can use an EU-based search engine like Qwant which is neutral and protects your privacy. Or DuckDuckGo. It's really not very hard not to use Big Tech for search.

Good point that there are other search engines. But in a world where the term "to google" something is so common, it shows that Google has a virtual monopoly. The vast majority of online searches are done through Google.

Most people who have been fully vaccinated in the UK are elderly, as we started with them back in December. Quite a few younger people haven't had their first injection yet, or are just having them now.

Old people are more at risk from dying anyway, are more vulnerable to coronaviruses and due to the UK system for determining coronavirus deaths, could die from something else but still be counted as a coronavirus death if they had the virus at the time.

That article seems to be drawing the wrong conclusion due to incorrect interpretation of the available data.

That article seems to be drawing the wrong conclusion due to incorrect interpretation of the available data.

Good conclusion. From my reading, the data being collected is not uniform as the errors start at the collection point. In the US a person that dies from a heart attack but has an asymptomatic Covid will most likely be input as a Covid death as that gets the hospital more $$.

+1 for etotheipi. The truth is out there, find it. Check original sources. Old news articles will sometimes uncover the lies being told in the present. Biased news slants the narrative and leaves out some of the facts to push their agenda and in an attempt to keep viewership.

Wolfhag