|Martin from Canada||14 Sep 2020 11:49 a.m. PST|
Oregon's air quality is so far beyond ‘hazardous' that no one knows what it means for health
The EPA's Air Quality Index measures five types of air pollution on a scale of one to 500. "Healthy" air gets a rating between 0 and 50. Things start getting dangerous in the mid-100s, especially for sensitive groups like those with a heart or lung condition. And an AQI reading of 301 or greater is considered "hazardous," causing the EPA to declare "emergency conditions" for those who are exposed for 24 hours or more.
On Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning, the area around Eugene, Oregon, clocked AQI values well into the 700 range on the real-time air-quality monitoring site PurpleAir, greatly exceeding the scale's maximum value of 500. The problem is all the fine particulate matter that's being generated by the West Coast wildfires. These particles get suspended in the air and can cause health problems when they're inhaled. The smallest particles — known as PM 2.5 — are especially concerning, since the body can't filter them out.
"The 2.5 will just cruise past everything in your nose," said Amy MacPherson, a public information officer for the California Air Resources Board. These particles can get lodged in people's lungs, she explained, "and if they're even smaller than that they can get into your bloodstream." Health effects include an increased chance of cardiac arrhythmias, asthma attacks, and heart attacks.
|Tacitus||14 Sep 2020 12:46 p.m. PST|
So Cal still looks overcast, even though it's smoke from fires. I am trapped inside by COVID-19 and no by the smoke. This sucks!
|wmyers||14 Sep 2020 5:40 p.m. PST|
And you may well have antifa to blame.
|Martin from Canada||14 Sep 2020 6:09 p.m. PST|
|wmyers||14 Sep 2020 8:36 p.m. PST|
So an antifa member is caught red-handed setting the fire and you claim it's not real …
|Martin from Canada||14 Sep 2020 10:11 p.m. PST|
|WillBGoode||15 Sep 2020 8:02 a.m. PST|
Martin, thank you for responding to this with solid and credible news sources. Always good to see your postings and always a good read which helps to educate us all.
I do wonder when being smart, having credible sources became a bad thing in this country. Thank you for lending some dignity to what is otherwise a vulgar brawl.
| John the OFM ||15 Sep 2020 10:49 a.m. PST|
One thing, Martin.
Charts make my eyes glaze over.
|Martin from Canada||15 Sep 2020 10:53 a.m. PST|
The reason I lean on charts is that I hate speaking ex culo.
|wmyers||15 Sep 2020 11:08 a.m. PST|
From the fourth and fifth link in my link, respectively:
When a person videos and streams himself setting fires and one is denying it, who is uncritical and accepting the "BS"?
|Nick Bowler||15 Sep 2020 2:27 p.m. PST|
Snopes article on Antifa and wildfires. link
Many years ago a friend and I came across a deliberately lit fire that had just started in a state park near where I live. My friend tried to put out the fire while I drove to the nearest house to call the fire brigade (this was before mobile phones). I drove back to help my friend, and we were making no progress -- the fire had expanded to about 50m x 100m and was starting to really pick up steam -- it would soon have been a major conflagration. But then the fire crew arrived and they put out the fire in what seemed to be seconds -- they were amazing. Moral of the story is that there are crazy people everywhere, and the fire, police, ambulance and other first responders do an amazing job in trying circumstances.
|wmyers||15 Sep 2020 4:51 p.m. PST|
Yes, most times they do their jobs very well.
From snopes article:
But Washington State Patrol Trooper Ryan Burke told Snopes police don't have evidence that the incident was linked to antifa.
Objective reality: link
|Nick Bowler||15 Sep 2020 6:41 p.m. PST|
I read the objective reality. There is no indication that the idiot is part of antifa. There is a duck typing arguement. But there is no indicaton that there is an antifa co-ordinated campaign. And one thing antifa is good at is co-ordinated action -- see the damage done at some of the G12 meetings.
|WillBGoode||15 Sep 2020 7:58 p.m. PST|
Ok, so Snopes proves the Antifata setting crisis bull.
|wmyers||15 Sep 2020 8:23 p.m. PST|
No, snopes quotes one trooper who spoke on his own. They claim that is "proof".
Yet, link and link clearly demonstrate he is part of antifa.
What is known is this one person is in Jail for arson and has known Antifa associations.
|WillBGoode||16 Sep 2020 1:59 a.m. PST|
No, actually when you read the whole article there is a lot more.
|Nick Bowler||16 Sep 2020 6:13 a.m. PST|
"snopes quotes one trooper who spoke on his own."
I really doubt this. In most organisations, there are strict rules about what can be said on social media by employees of companies. For instance, I cant comment on telecoms, which is really annoying when I see people posting crap. If the officer posted on twitter, I suspect it was an authorised post. But, to be honest, I see no point wasting my time trying to track down his twitter account.
|Tumbleweed ||16 Sep 2020 6:15 a.m. PST|
I recommend that we adjourn to The Blue Fez to continue this obviously political discussion.
|wmyers||16 Sep 2020 11:00 a.m. PST|
While the west coast continues to battle ferocious wildfires, a Portland-area man was stunningly released from custody hours after his arrest for starting a brushfire with a molotov cocktail. Shortly after his release, however, the suspect went on to start six more fires.
It has been stated over 500,000 fires are started by arson in the USA annually.
|Dn Jackson||22 Sep 2020 1:53 a.m. PST|
Antifa is very decentralized. So it is certainly possible Antifa members were setting these fires while it not being a 'coordinated effort'.
Snopes has an agenda which has been displayed on some hot button political issues. They have no credibility on a subject like this.