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Martin from Canada14 Sep 2020 11:49 a.m. PST

Oregon's air quality is so far beyond ‘hazardous' that no one knows what it means for health


The EPA's Air Quality Index measures five types of air pollution on a scale of one to 500. "Healthy" air gets a rating between 0 and 50. Things start getting dangerous in the mid-100s, especially for sensitive groups like those with a heart or lung condition. And an AQI reading of 301 or greater is considered "hazardous," causing the EPA to declare "emergency conditions" for those who are exposed for 24 hours or more.

On Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning, the area around Eugene, Oregon, clocked AQI values well into the 700 range on the real-time air-quality monitoring site PurpleAir, greatly exceeding the scale's maximum value of 500. The problem is all the fine particulate matter that's being generated by the West Coast wildfires. These particles get suspended in the air and can cause health problems when they're inhaled. The smallest particles — known as PM 2.5 — are especially concerning, since the body can't filter them out.

"The 2.5 will just cruise past everything in your nose," said Amy MacPherson, a public information officer for the California Air Resources Board. These particles can get lodged in people's lungs, she explained, "and if they're even smaller than that they can get into your bloodstream." Health effects include an increased chance of cardiac arrhythmias, asthma attacks, and heart attacks.

Tacitus14 Sep 2020 12:46 p.m. PST

So Cal still looks overcast, even though it's smoke from fires. I am trapped inside by COVID-19 and no by the smoke. This sucks!

wmyers14 Sep 2020 5:40 p.m. PST

And you may well have antifa to blame.


Martin from Canada14 Sep 2020 6:09 p.m. PST

At this point, Deleted by Moderator? This has been repeated dubunked over the past 4 days, and you're still Just Asking Questions off on it.






wmyers14 Sep 2020 8:36 p.m. PST

So an antifa member is caught red-handed setting the fire and you claim it's not real …

Martin from Canada14 Sep 2020 10:11 p.m. PST

From my third link:

WillBGoode15 Sep 2020 8:02 a.m. PST

Martin, thank you for responding to this with solid and credible news sources. Always good to see your postings and always a good read which helps to educate us all.

I do wonder when being smart, having credible sources became a bad thing in this country. Thank you for lending some dignity to what is otherwise a vulgar brawl.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2020 10:49 a.m. PST

One thing, Martin.
Charts make my eyes glaze over. grin

Martin from Canada15 Sep 2020 10:53 a.m. PST

The reason I lean on charts is that I hate speaking ex culo.

wmyers15 Sep 2020 11:08 a.m. PST

From the fourth and fifth link in my link, respectively:



When a person videos and streams himself setting fires and one is denying it, who is uncritical and accepting the "BS"?

Nick Bowler15 Sep 2020 2:27 p.m. PST

Snopes article on Antifa and wildfires. link

Many years ago a friend and I came across a deliberately lit fire that had just started in a state park near where I live. My friend tried to put out the fire while I drove to the nearest house to call the fire brigade (this was before mobile phones). I drove back to help my friend, and we were making no progress -- the fire had expanded to about 50m x 100m and was starting to really pick up steam -- it would soon have been a major conflagration. But then the fire crew arrived and they put out the fire in what seemed to be seconds -- they were amazing. Moral of the story is that there are crazy people everywhere, and the fire, police, ambulance and other first responders do an amazing job in trying circumstances.

wmyers15 Sep 2020 4:51 p.m. PST

Yes, most times they do their jobs very well.

From snopes article:

But Washington State Patrol Trooper Ryan Burke told Snopes police don't have evidence that the incident was linked to antifa.

Objective reality: link

Nick Bowler15 Sep 2020 6:41 p.m. PST

I read the objective reality. There is no indication that the idiot is part of antifa. There is a duck typing arguement. But there is no indicaton that there is an antifa co-ordinated campaign. And one thing antifa is good at is co-ordinated action -- see the damage done at some of the G12 meetings.

WillBGoode15 Sep 2020 7:58 p.m. PST

Ok, so Snopes proves the Antifata setting crisis bull.

wmyers15 Sep 2020 8:23 p.m. PST

No, snopes quotes one trooper who spoke on his own. They claim that is "proof".

Yet, link and link clearly demonstrate he is part of antifa.

What is known is this one person is in Jail for arson and has known Antifa associations.

WillBGoode16 Sep 2020 1:59 a.m. PST

No, actually when you read the whole article there is a lot more.

Nick Bowler16 Sep 2020 6:13 a.m. PST

"snopes quotes one trooper who spoke on his own."

I really doubt this. In most organisations, there are strict rules about what can be said on social media by employees of companies. For instance, I cant comment on telecoms, which is really annoying when I see people posting crap. If the officer posted on twitter, I suspect it was an authorised post. But, to be honest, I see no point wasting my time trying to track down his twitter account.

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2020 6:15 a.m. PST

I recommend that we adjourn to The Blue Fez to continue this obviously political discussion.

wmyers16 Sep 2020 11:00 a.m. PST

While the west coast continues to battle ferocious wildfires, a Portland-area man was stunningly released from custody hours after his arrest for starting a brushfire with a molotov cocktail. Shortly after his release, however, the suspect went on to start six more fires.


It has been stated over 500,000 fires are started by arson in the USA annually.

Dn Jackson22 Sep 2020 1:53 a.m. PST

Antifa is very decentralized. So it is certainly possible Antifa members were setting these fires while it not being a 'coordinated effort'.

Snopes has an agenda which has been displayed on some hot button political issues. They have no credibility on a subject like this.

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