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Asteroid X27 Jul 2020 8:41 a.m. PST

The alleged "spike" in Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) cases now being reported in Florida may actually be fiction, as new evidence has emerged to suggest that testing labs all throughout the Sunshine State are churning out an alarmingly high rate of false positives.

Orlando Health has confirmed, as have a number of journalists, that the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) data it reported over the past weekend is erroneous at best. This is due to the fact that more than 50 labs throughout the state are, in some cases, producing 100 percent positive test results.

Orlando Health, for example, had reported that 98 percent of the people it tested came up positive, when in reality it was actually 9.8 percent (or 9.4 percent, according to other sources). The Orlando Veterans Medical Center had also "mistakenly" reported a 76 percent positivity rate, when the true figure was a mere six percent.

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jdpintex27 Jul 2020 1:54 p.m. PST

Gotta watch those decimal points.

Martin From Canada27 Jul 2020 2:19 p.m. PST

What's next WMyers, Deleted by Moderator?

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BTW, Wuhan flu, Wuhan virus and China flu have unfortunate xenophobic connotations.
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Captain Oblivious27 Jul 2020 2:26 p.m. PST

As someone who now lives in Florida, I've been tested twice along with family members and none of us have come back positive, despite having several symptoms and exposure. I find the allegation that the numbers are being artificially raised to be lacking credibility. I have co-workers in the ICU with COVID, it is real.

mad monkey 127 Jul 2020 2:37 p.m. PST

I prefer Kung Flu myself. As for the increase, doesn't in creased testing mean increased positive results? The number that matters is deaths. I don't think those numbers are increasing.

D6 Junkie27 Jul 2020 2:46 p.m. PST

Deaths and the amount of people covid has put into in the hospital. They may save you but it can be a painful and expensive experience.

Captain Oblivious27 Jul 2020 2:46 p.m. PST

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We've gone from 40 deaths/day in May and June (slight decrease in June) to 80/day July 1st and around 100/day now (more are reported, but are from earlier in the month).

There are also accusations that the numbers are being suppressed by state departments to reduce the panic and encourage what little travel is still going. Tourism is a major industry in the state, and seems like a credible claim.

Nick Bowler27 Jul 2020 3:28 p.m. PST

Mad monkey – I presume you didnt watch the Chris Wallace interview with Trump. Testing is up 36%. Cases are up 197%. Increased testing has found that the virus is spreading.

As to calling the disease the Wuhan Virus – that is a political statement.

Asteroid X27 Jul 2020 5:15 p.m. PST

Calling a virus after it's geographical location of origin is not political. It is a statement of fact.

Captain Oblivious27 Jul 2020 7:34 p.m. PST

So since as I understand it the Spanish flu did not start in Spain, but rather spread there rapidly, perhaps this version of Coronavirus should be known as the US flu?

Asteroid X27 Jul 2020 9:14 p.m. PST

But it spread rapidly through Italy, second. The city of Wuhan was closed off first. The residents, apparently were not allowed to travel to other parts of China.

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But were allowed to leave the country from that city via air travel to anywhere outside of China?

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Captain Oblivious28 Jul 2020 3:44 a.m. PST

So Italian flu? Or is that a dfferent syrain of COVID-19?

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2020 3:49 a.m. PST

Plop…..Plop…..Plop…..
Wes, save your pearls grin

If a person believes the questionaable, at best, stats they better start the HQC protocol ASAP. Luckily, since you're in Florida, you havew a Govenor who is competent in his handling of the wuhan virus.

Asteroid X28 Jul 2020 8:30 a.m. PST

As Bill stated, some things are left because they allow others to make up their minds who are just reading.

Spanish Flu was called that because only Spain was reporting it (WWI propaganda). China and Wuhan were reporting this one.

The effects will be what this remembered for, not the infection or fatality rates.

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mad monkey 128 Jul 2020 10:35 a.m. PST

Top ten killers of de people of Florida 2017.
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Latest chart I could find. Now I would like to point out that the majority of deaths by covid were people who had 2-3 pre-existing conditions. Which leads me to this conclusion, when they compile the cause of death stats for this year the top ten killers will have lower than usual stats. Because those potential deaths will have been blamed on covid. Covid is a flu disease, much like SARS or the Swine flu. We didn't shut the world down on those and we don't need to shut the world down on covid.

Wolfhag28 Jul 2020 1:18 p.m. PST

I like calling it the CCP Virus. I defend your right to be offended even if you don't defend my right to free speech.

In my county in CA, we had as many suicides last month as we had all of last year. It is 3x the number of deaths related to the CCP Virus. The youngest was 72 years old. A large % were in nursing homes.

I see the main problem as a data collection screw up:

How the CDC wants the reporting done:
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Here is the report form:
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Do we ever get a breakdown of this data? Do you truly believe that all hospitals and healthcare workers are filling out these forms accurately? Are they all able to compile this data? I doubt it.

So when a CCP virus death is reported, is the virus the main cause of death, a contributing factor that hastened the death or the patient had it but it was not a factor? Like he was killed in a car accident or murdered. We'll never know, will we? All we get is the sensationalism and the Useful Idiots and Political Hacks out there eat it up.

This is how the Feds are handling the reimbursements to the states for treatment. Now just imagine the US with a single-payer program administered by these people:
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The Executive Branch has only minimal control over this reimbursement. If you want to blame someone, blame the ones who have been in DC for 20+ years, they are the ones who have engineered this and are administrating it. If you are expecting the Federal Government to come to your aid and fix problems be prepared to be very disappointed.

My opinion: The reporting on this virus is just more of the same sensationalism that mainstream media thrives on because of ratings and advertising revenue. Unfortunately, they need to dumb it down for their viewers who won't understand the real-world data and implications. The politicians from both parties use it to rally their "Useful Idiots" while being the height of hypocrisy and poor decision making themselves.

To get a real picture of the situation every person in the country needs to be tested EVERY DAY and the results sent in to be determined. How many people have had the virus, didn't know, and recovered? Probably in the 10's of millions but we'll never know. How much false reporting has been done? We'll never know.

How efficient is the testing data collection? We're finding out it is pretty poor. What is the error rate and false positives for the testing? Who knows. They are using a variety of testing techniques. Do they all give the same level of accuracy? Probably not. Have many test kits been defective? Yes, ten's of thousands, maybe more. How much cross-contamination has there been? Who knows.

So when the sensational new media reports about XX,000 new cases reported what exactly does that mean? How many new cases are unreported? We'll never know what is really occurring for at least 5 years after the experts get to review, compile, and study the information.

At this point there is no consensus as if the virus is airborne, how long it lasts in the air, the level of saturation to overcome your body defenses, what systems and organs it affects, and how, what permanent damage is done after recovery, can you get re-infected, etc?

With that said, I'm sure they are doing the best they can with what they have and we should not have an expectation that we can control this, despite what the "experts" and politicians are saying. Everyone eventually gets the common cold, most of us will be exposed to the CCP virus.

FYI: In the past, I worked with a county in California for a pandemic response. We put on mass inoculations. I was responsible for and data collection for patient biometrics, geographics, and tracking. I also did the data collection for First Responders and we were able to get the data reported to the ER before the patient arrived using a combination of digital handwriting capture, text narrative, and voice input.

After the patient intake form was filled out the data was sent to the country EMS and hospital ER. We identified the patient biometrics and collated them to give a level of probability that the patient is suffering from a communicable disease. This was a trigger for the county/state pandemic response team. The delay from EMS arrival to the patient to the data being collected, reported, entered into the county database and a real-time report generated was less than 30 minutes.

The electronic form would take the data and export a text-based narrative that would go into a voice recognition system that would send a voice mail to the patient's personal physician if we had the phone #.

I did ride alongs with some county fire departments to implement the same successful system for them. What happened? They basically sabotaged the system by not following the directions. Evidently, one of the ways they spiked their pensions was to let all of the handwritten forms from a 24-hour shift pile up. Then a designated person would spend the next two hours manually entering them into their system taking his time because he was getting overtime to do the data entry. The County EMS manager told us he was well aware of it but he could not do anything against the Firefighter union.

The state also has plans to set up a 10,000-bed hospital to respond to a pandemic. The next governor canceled it. The state of California was prepared for supplying PPE. However, in January when they opened the storage all of the equipment, millions of dollars worth, was outdated and no longer certified to use.

I think it's clear to see how difficult this is, there is no sense of blaming it on one specific group or person. Our pandemic response plans and strategy are a WIP. I hope we learn something to be prepared for the next one.

I found this Dr. Hansen to be an unbiased source for good information:
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Wolfhag

Asteroid X28 Jul 2020 4:33 p.m. PST

Thank you!

Nick Bowler28 Jul 2020 4:54 p.m. PST

To give a view of a different response.

In my part of the world (Tasmania, the island at the bottom of Australia), the current government is a conservative government. When the virus broke out they closed the state borders – anyone returning had to go into 2 weeks quarantine. When a severe outbreak occurred at a hospital in the north west of the state they closed off the hospital and the surrounding town for a month, shutting down everything except supermarkets.

The result has been remarkable. Until recently we had no cases for 2 months. We now have 1 case in quarantine -- a person who returned from another state. Business is back to normal EXCEPT for the tourist business, which is hurting. I can go into town without having to wear a mask. I can game with friends.

Our premier has a 93% approval rating. Shutting down hard and early can stop the dissease in its tracks.

Asteroid X29 Jul 2020 8:03 a.m. PST

Shutting down hard and early can stop the dissease in its tracks.

Which is what China did internally, but the exact opposite externally.

Things that make you go, "Hmmm".

mad monkey 129 Jul 2020 8:04 a.m. PST

And how big is your island?

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2020 10:08 a.m. PST

Another apples to oranges comparison.

Captain Oblivious29 Jul 2020 10:56 a.m. PST

So I'm a bit confused. If I follow the logic above correctly, the testing in Florida was intentionally misreported to the governor in order to misrepresent the actual numbers of a non-existent disease that is intentionally being spread by the Chinese Government in order to get people more sick days, thus causing global pandemonium?

As opposed to there being a new disease that is easily spread, that is being handled differently by different nations with different results.

Ah, Occam's Razor, where are you when I need you?

Nick Bowler29 Jul 2020 1:27 p.m. PST

Mad Monkey – about the size of Austria. Approx 500,000 inhabitants.

Asteroid X30 Jul 2020 11:21 a.m. PST

If only the people out of work, businesses shut down and loss of level of living (read Wolfhag's reporting of the suicide rate and demographics, thereof) were covered by "sick days"…

To say nothing of the foreshadowed global recession.

Ah, Common Sense, where are you when we need you?!

Tgerritsen Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2020 6:07 a.m. PST

If calling COVID 19 Wuhan Flu makes you Xenophobic against Chinese, does calling Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis ‘Lou Gehrig's Disease' make you hate Lou Gehrig?

I don't like Limburger Cheese. I guess that makes me Xenophobic against Belgians.

Not everything is about race.

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