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wmyers25 May 2020 12:51 p.m. PST

Facebook has been censoring videos from Doctors, Scientists, the News, the government, and regular people utilizing their right to free speech about Covid-19.

Here is how to potentially remove Facebook Fact Checkers from Facebook, so that you can avoid social media censorship by Mark Zuckerberg. A Facebook fact checker worked at wuhan lab according to some sources.

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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2020 1:47 p.m. PST

Facebook isn't a goverment body. So free speech isn't a thing.
Also unlike 95% of the time here Facebook is actually a civil service. Removing racist and dangerous stuff.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian25 May 2020 3:22 p.m. PST

Facebook should be classed and regulated as a public utility.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian25 May 2020 5:30 p.m. PST

Here is the entire First Amendment -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

regular people utilizing their right to free speech about Covid-19.

There is no right to free speech on a privately owned website. Not here, not Facebook, not Twitter, not Instagram, not Google.

Repiqueone25 May 2020 6:18 p.m. PST

From what I've seen they only remove dangerous, misleading, inciteful stuff on the level of yelling fire in the theater. Plenty of RW videoteers find a platform there.

Dear Editor, if it were a public utility, it wouldn't achieve many different outcomes from the present. The broadcast airways once had a fairness doctrine, and equal time provisions, all of which were torn down by politicians on the Right so that Rush Limpbaugh could get the Presidential Medal of Tedium.

Mithmee25 May 2020 6:31 p.m. PST

So free speech isn't a thing.

Gunfreak,

That is the difference between the US and Norway.

We believe in Free Speech in nearly everything.

Facebook and many European countries don't.

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2020 6:47 p.m. PST

Are you offering to be "…classed and regulated as a public utility.", editor?

Amazing thing, free speech, how no one is happy with others' point of view.

Repiqueone25 May 2020 6:54 p.m. PST

Mithmee, Free speech is never free. Any ad agency can make some good money on getting your speech widely heard, if you can pay them. The less affluent have less "freedom" in the public sphere than any random millionaire in being heard. it is similar to the judges' ruling that the poor and the rich have equal freedom to sleep under a bridge at night!

Repiqueone25 May 2020 7:00 p.m. PST

Dear Editor, Would you want them to be considered a common carrier?

Personal logo Wyatt the Odd Supporting Member of TMP Fezian25 May 2020 8:48 p.m. PST

"Facebook is censoring…"

Translation: "Private companies are deleting the hoaxes that I cling to despite them being total conspiracy woo and it triggers my cognitive dissonance!"

Clearly the these peddlers of disinfo have never actually attempted to manage a project involving more than just themselves, otherwise they'd know that the conspiracy they claim could not even last a week. Their willful ignorance is absolutely adorable in that regard.

Oh, and it's not just FB, it's Google/Youtube, and Twitter as well. Maybe they should just give up any pretense and use Gab?

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2020 1:34 a.m. PST

Gunfreak,

That is the difference between the US and Norway.

We believe in Free Speech in nearly everything.

Facebook and many European countries don't.

Norway ranks far higher on civil liberties than America, including free speech, press freedom etc.
But Facebook is a private company and so doesn't go under the US first amendment. And since companies in America can legally bribe your politicians. Companies now rule your country and only when companies decide to do something good they will. Facebook is usually quite happy having nazis spread propaganda on it's pages, but here it felt that spreading lies that can directly lead to thousands or even millions of deaths was a bridge too far.

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian26 May 2020 6:42 a.m. PST

And since companies in America can legally bribe your politicians. Companies now rule your country and only when companies decide to do something good they will.

Bribe? No, political contributions.

Under U.S. law, corporations have some of the same rights as people, including free speech. And free speech includes the right to make political contributions.

wmyers26 May 2020 8:30 a.m. PST

It's not "what" they are doing, but the higher order question of "why".

It's pretty clear the responses in support of the censorship never bothered to listen to the author's presentation.

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2020 9:14 a.m. PST

A political contribution is a few hundred dollars, up to the personal maximum of a couple of thousand from a legal citizen in a given year. Don't claim that giving large amounts of tens of thousands or millions via a PAC is not a bribe. Corporations use money their employees did not give approval to do so, to politicians that management wants favors from, or has policies that companies want or do not want.

The SCOTUS created a artificial entity and claimed that corporations/companies/unions exist just as a living human being. Since the founding fathers never included such an interpretation, I suspect that they'd not agree.

Also, the political party that pushed for this interpretation is also the political party that campaigns against allowing modern interpretation of the Constitution, except when it benefits their cause. Having pushed this through, they then have been working hard to limit others ability to game the system as they do (i.e., unions for example).

Let's not pretend that the average American voter has equal rights and competes on a level playing field with all other players in the game. Too many examples exists to prove otherwise.

wmyers26 May 2020 9:32 a.m. PST

The other higher order question of "how", is also crucial in this.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian26 May 2020 10:08 a.m. PST

It's not "what" they are doing, but the higher order question of "why".

Why is pretty easy. The items in question are outright falsehoods and in many of the instances, deliberate unsupported slander.

The other higher order question of "how", is also crucial in this.

How is pretty easy. When a private , for profit entity finds their firms product or service being used for purposes either repulsive or simply dangerous, they have the right to choose not to tolerate the use of their platform/product for spreading corrosive absolutely debunked falsehoods. This is no different than ISP's choosing to kick off white nationalist tripe such as the Daily Stormer or Islamic extremists such as ISIS off their platform. Kicking Infowars off of any platform for spreading the Sandy Hook "crisis actors" lunacy is certainly justified as it was patently false and harmful to the surviving victims. Similarly, when outright debunked slander and dangerous medical falsehoods such as Plandemic surface, any reasonable business would and should refuse to associate themselves or their product with such drivel.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse26 May 2020 11:26 a.m. PST

It's not "what" they are doing, but the higher order question of "why".

It's pretty clear the responses in support of the censorship never bothered to listen to the author's presentation.

OK, first, I'd like to re-quote wmyers wisdom here"

Can I quote wmeyers here?:

,q>wmeyers said: What's idiotic is dismissing something before reading it.

Making a dismissive post before comprehension of content.

Although this is wisdom, I still dont have to read that to know that Facebook is part of the international media conspiracy using paid actors to feign death from a liberal virus (We know there are both conservative and liberal viruses and that the liberal viruses are the ones more prone to violence) to make us all stay home and watch or read more "liberal" media.

darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2020 11:35 a.m. PST

We believe in Free Speech in nearly everything.

Ehhh maybe. Not so sure about that.

But we really like businesses to be able to do what they want, serve who they want, etc. The consequence of that freedom is that Facebook, or Bill here at TMP, can enforce whatever terms of service he wants, take down content he wants, etc.

And the alternatives are tricky, too. If Bill *doesn't* take down malicious content, is he responsible for it?

Your and my Constitutional opinions on the subject don't really matter, but it's not nearly as cut-and-dry an issue as you might want to believe.

wmyers26 May 2020 4:30 p.m. PST

Why is pretty easy. The items in question are outright falsehoods

Wrong.

You didn't watch it and have no idea what Marky Z stated.

How is pretty easy.

Wrong again. You didn't watch it and do not know how it is being censored.

I won't ruin it for you (it's like the teacher having to tell the pupil who did not bother to read the article the proper answer as opposed to making them do it for themselves so they actually comprehend the answer and learn something new, instead of just dismissing it).

wmyers26 May 2020 4:33 p.m. PST

Can I quote wmeyers [sic) here?:

You can, but there isn't a lot read on the video …

The key elements were spoken.

You'd have to listen to them to comprehend them. It's short, so should be good for those with equivalent attention spans.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse26 May 2020 7:00 p.m. PST

wmyers you surprise me, where is your sporting blood?

I thought you'd quote me:


Minipigs said: I think there are many times when content should get dismissed out of hand without examining or reading it.

For example, a cookbook entitled "What types of animal dung goes best on a Sandwich" is a volume I can skip without regrets.

wmyers26 May 2020 7:14 p.m. PST

Sorry, Olde Bean. I guess I'd have to have read that.

Although, I guess if you are going to quote yourself I don't need to(?).

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse26 May 2020 8:00 p.m. PST

Oh come, come now my good man, you're far too modest about your omnipresent observations of your surroundings.

I do believe that, betwixt and between other pithy observations, you posted this in response to my post (which was actually much longer)

wmyers response: Minipigs, I simply quoted Martin using his subject.


And i wouldnt have it any other way because if you hadnt responded it would mean you just wanted others to read what YOU thought was important and not practice what you preach.

I am happy to see that in spite of your modesty, you did read what i wrote.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian26 May 2020 9:12 p.m. PST

link

Facebook doesn't seem to censor enough according to, among others, that hotbed of liberal thought, the Wall Street Journal reporting on their inner struggles.

Mithmee26 May 2020 10:04 p.m. PST

Well if you do not like you do not do Facebook or any of those other Non-Social sites.

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2020 4:26 a.m. PST

Your local sheriff will be glad to show you his facebooks.

Personal logo Wyatt the Odd Supporting Member of TMP Fezian27 May 2020 9:34 a.m. PST

Was it only 10 weeks ago when someone used their misunderstanding of statistics to make a laughably inaccurate prediction about the spread of COVID a prediction which was proven wrong just a bit more than a week later? And that same someone while grousing about having to work from home because his corporate masters took the threat seriously bandied about 70,000 as "total infections", only to move the goalpost to compare the death rate to flu (ignoring the fact that he was comparing yearly deaths from flu to the fatalities in just eight weeks).

Was it just that recent?

Here's the current numbers from RELIABLE sources rather than some rando on Youtube (103K US deaths and heading towards a likely 147K by August and even then, it is an undercount):

https://cov19.cc

Perhaps the lesson is to not take guidance from a bean counter who is substituting Dunning Kruger for actual experience in the field. Especially one who is likely to get even crankier for having to work from home through the summer if he doesn't get RIF'd in the next week or two.

link

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian27 May 2020 10:36 a.m. PST

Well if you do not like you do not do Facebook or any of those other Non-Social sites.

On this we agree.

Social media is a cesspool of extremist tripe on both sides, wildly inaccurate information and generally boorish manners.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse27 May 2020 11:53 a.m. PST

And now, in an absurdist twist on Constitutional interpretation, the current administration is now in the process of a major violation of the 1st Amendment.

Apparently, this violation sprung into life as a threat to shut down Twitter because it stifles free speech! Thus, the government, the very entity the Constitution's 1st Amendment was designed to prevent from abridging speech is threatening to shut down free speech for not allowing its own free speech? This makes Alice's Wonderland look like a textbook on linear logic.


It is a perfect portrait of what happens when the ignorant think they understand the Constitution and get it completely backwards.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian27 May 2020 1:11 p.m. PST

Absent the threat of using a docile DOJ to threaten anti-trust, and that could take years to resolve, there is relatively little the Executive Branch can do as absent Congressional action, private enterprise should be fairly immune to bluster and the FCC has virtually no authority over internet content.

Personal logo Wyatt the Odd Supporting Member of TMP Fezian27 May 2020 5:38 p.m. PST

Ooo

And a judge throws out yet another lawsuit claiming FB is censoring Conservative speech.

Well, that's another conspiracy theory that didn't stand up to reality.

link

wmyers27 May 2020 7:00 p.m. PST

When you read the article, you actually find the real reason:

the appeals court pointed out that the companies cannot violate free speech rights because they are not government entities.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse27 May 2020 8:52 p.m. PST

Well the dismissal also cited that there wasnt any establishment of anti-trust claims and insufficient evidence that the platforms were conspiring against conservative viewpoints.

Laura Loomer v. Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Apple


The court said in part:

The Plaintiffs raise non-trivial concerns," the court concluded. But they "failed to state viable legal claims" to support them including evidence that a conspiracy existed or that private websites were public spaces that operated like a government.

A lawsuit by the, oddly Jewish, White Supremicist chick.

Yeah, their argument was something like the media is lefty, biased blah blah blah but because we have no personality we cant start our own version and deserve to piggyback our drivel on your sites blah blah blah.

As for Freedom Watch, forget the tin foil hat and break out the tin foil tent. Led by a man, Larry Klayman, who sued his own mother. He was also a prime mover in the "birther" movement.

Maybe they'll have more success suing China! link

On a side note, it's interesting how the NRA, FOX News, OAN and a host of other conservative platforms cant exist unless they get forced on less conservative areas of the country. Im not sure if with regard to the conservative media it's the fairness doctrine that prevents those channels from being line deleted from cable packages but even the NRA admits they cant survive without stuffing useless firearm insurance down the mouths of the blue states.

Mithmee28 May 2020 6:54 a.m. PST

Well that surely is projecting your views.

Oh and this is not The Blue Fez.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse28 May 2020 9:52 a.m. PST

Absent the threat of using a docile DOJ to threaten anti-trust, and that could take years to resolve, there is relatively little the Executive Branch can do as absent Congressional action, private enterprise should be fairly immune to bluster and the FCC has virtually no authority over internet content.

That's only partly the point. The executive branch shouldn't even be trying to muzzle speech. I think this is just a pandering move to a dangerous but not necessarily small populist lobby that pounds the table about The Founders and The Constitution but actually doesn't understand the document or thinks it is something to say to justify whatever it needs for any purpose in the moment.

wmyers28 May 2020 10:28 a.m. PST

It's the opposite of muzzling.

Populist, by its very definition is the opposite of small.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse28 May 2020 10:41 a.m. PST

No wmyeres , it isnt.

You're talking about what McKinstry is talking about which is a misread of what I was talking about. Im talking about what Im talking about which has nothing to do with anti trust and everything to do with per se government 1st Amendment violations.

I didnt say it was small group but aside from a second misreading of what I wrote, populism can refer to "ordinary" as well as "numerous" or to a plurality who are still a minority of sorts.

Incidentally, since you're so worried about accuracies and accusations, why arent you running to defend me when Mithmee invents things I didnt say, accuses me of conclusions I didint make and cut and pastes my words to make it look like Im saying things that I havent?

I know it isnt biases and agendas because youre free from those but I wonder what just it could be?

Mithmee28 May 2020 11:15 a.m. PST

why arent you running to defend me when Mithmee invents things I didnt say, accuses me of conclusions I didint make and cut and pastes my words to make it look like Im saying things that I havent?

When have I ever invented something that you did not write in the first place.

As to the cutting and pasting those are your statements and I just grabbing that piece I want to make a comment on.

wmyers28 May 2020 1:33 p.m. PST

Minipigs, I have to apologize for not having the time to read your posts.

It's nice weather outside. There's lots of shopping to do. Lots of pubs and social events to go to. My Harley doesn't ride itself around. My kids need attention. Miniatures need to be assembled, painted and poked around. A new gaming table suspended from the ceiling in the garage needs work. The pool beckons. Many books need to be read.

I really do not recall anyone making posts of things you've written. Sorry.

wmyers28 May 2020 5:52 p.m. PST

Back to the topic at hand,

They (Facebook) claim to be an open forum, yet label content as "false information" simply because their "fact-checkers" disagree with it.

The "fact-checkers" do not have to prove or disprove anything, just make unproven claims that require no evidence of lies or fallacy.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian28 May 2020 9:07 p.m. PST

just make unproven claims that require no evidence of lies or fallacy.

Proof or example?

Certainly kicking Alex Jones/Infowars to the curb over Sandy Hook "crisis actors" was 100% correct as that was simply false. Not opinion just simply false.

Equally there is not a shred of anything other than either malicious bigotry or deliberate ignorance over 9/11 "truthers" blaming Israel and the US, anything vaguely associated with Q-Anon or the genuine pernicious stupidity involved in suggesting Bill Gates invented Corona virus to down the line inject tracing devices in any vaccine.

Some things are simply facts. Some things are simply false, crazy, stupid or a combination of all of that. While genuine disagreements can exist among policy and issues, facts can be identified as can falsehoods. For example, the legality and specific circumstances in which abortions are allowed is a question of policy and subject to debate from all sides. The facts of the safety and risks of the procedure are quite known and statistically available from governmental records. Should either side misrepresent the numbers, fact checking that side is quite appropriate.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse29 May 2020 6:31 a.m. PST

@wmyers

Minipigs, I have to apologize for not having the time to read your posts.

It's nice weather outside. There's lots of shopping to do. Lots of pubs and social events to go to. My Harley doesn't ride itself around. My kids need attention. Miniatures need to be assembled, painted and poked around. A new gaming table suspended from the ceiling in the garage needs work. The pool beckons. Many books need to be read.

I really do not recall anyone making posts of things you've written. Sorry.

Thanks for your candor here. It is a reminder, to be sure that wisdom can be universal even when the fact patterns dont fit everyone.

For instance, the weather here isnt very nice right now, I dont do my own shopping, I dont go to pubs and my social events, especially during a pandemic, are limited to the several women I see at the same time, I dont have kids, I dont paint my own miniatures, I have never used my pool. I do read books but this is just one match up in an otherwise divergent tale of city vs country mouse. Maybe this can demonstrate how people come from many walks of life and dont always see priorities in the same way. I admit that part of the treat of this forum is that I dont normally get to interact with people like yourself and Mithmee and i have to say I find it fascinating; almost like when an anthropologist stumbles over a long forgotten tribe.

In any case, it is a reminder that just because Im excited to interact with posters that I feel post some remarkable and astonishing statements, the reverse isnt necessarily the case. With your permission, I will use your statement, even though the details dont match my lifestyle, to remind others that we dont always have the time to read everything in pursuit of what we feel is important.

MiniPigs In the TMP Dawghouse29 May 2020 7:01 a.m. PST

Yes, yes! that should be the standard! Any paranoid schizophrenic should be able to post something like Jay-Z and Beyonce traffic in sex slaves and unless a social media platform can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it isnt true, they have to leave it up. Yes!

After all, just because someone hears voices, doesnt mean they're wrong. Just ask Joan of Arc.


Maybe now that their lawsuit has been tossed out against them, Facebook can hire glamorous white nationalist Laura Loomer and America's favorite conspiracy lawyer Larry Klayman to start up an objectivity and fairness division? I mean, who better than to make sure we all know the objective truth than gun girl and birther boy?

And, ya gotta love a guy who sues his mom.

wmyers29 May 2020 9:11 a.m. PST

just make unproven claims that require no evidence of lies or fallacy.

Proof or example?

The subject of this thread.

The doctors' video.

link

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian29 May 2020 1:13 p.m. PST

Two for profit 'doc in a Box" ER doctors with a vested financial interest going straight to the media with an untested, unverified, unreviewed series of undocumented claims that contradicted existing public health advice, was condemned by both existing professional Emergency Medical Organizations and local authorities as giving dangerous and false advice clearly violates the YouTube terms of service as YouTube chooses, because they can, define them.

Per YouTube

"including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of local healthy authority recommended guidance on social distancing that may lead others to act against that guidance," said the statement. "However, content that provides sufficient educational, documentary, scientific or artistic (EDSA) context is allowed -"

Since that particular claim offers clearly disputes the local authority, has no educational (unreviewed and unsupported), documentary (undocumented) or scientific (again, no paper, no documented or reviewed data set or process) and we can skip artistic. YouTube was clearly within their terms of service to delete.

Had YouTube kicked off all mention of that junky 26 patient French hydroxychloriquine study, although it was weak it was at least documented, there would be an issue. The fact that these yahoos have subsequently disappeared back into the mist, may be facing professional sanctions and have clearly been proven totally wrong should further validate You Tubes choices.

Not that it matters one bit. As a private enterprise with no government imposed requirement on who/how/what or when to allow use of their platform, if they choose to ban anyone except extreme left or right viewpoints or solely allow incorrect data at the expense of accurate scientific data, they are free to do so although it would likely trash their revenue model. Whether they can generate revenue sufficient to satisfy shareholders is the only measure they likely care about and as things stand, their only actual requirement.

wmyers29 May 2020 5:37 p.m. PST

So follow what we say, no matter what, or else!

Oh, and you will never be able to say anything against it, because we won't allow you to.

Who gets to say who has the right to an expert opinion? Certainly not valid credentials and experience!

Sounds honest, fair and just.

Not.

When people are not allowed to ask any questions, let alone the hard questions about liberty and safety it smacks of the threat of a totalitarian police state.

When millions of people gave their lives to ensure freedom but now are not even allowed to ask basic fundamental questions like, "what does "until it's safe" really mean?"

It becomes quite clear on here who never voluntarily served their country.

It also becomes quite clear who loves policies being pushed as "safety measures".

Whether or not these measures make sense to you, you're not even allowed to have a say.

And people wonder why so many question those taking advantage of this.

We are expected to "pause" the economy like a video game, no harm done.

If you allow your five year old to leave the house without a mask, you don't care about people dying.

Want to go back to work? You only care about money. Do as you're told or snitches will tattle on you!

Stay home. Don't ask questions. We are all in this together.

The extremists are certainly is in this together. Cheering ever bigger government, dismissing the effects of our economy's grinding halt, squelching your civil rights, and happily shaming people on social media -- authoritarians are attempting to gain more control over our lives.

We know the Coronavirus is a serious issue, we just think a little common sense should prevail.

Normal people are committed to rational measures to address COVID-19 issues and When you are not even allowed to view/hear expert opinions that the extremists don't want people to see, there are some very serious issues.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian29 May 2020 6:07 p.m. PST

Again. YouTube is a private, for profit, entity under no compulsion, legal or economic, to tolerate or support every extreme or unsupported opinion that comes down pike, of which this specific failed attention getting bit clearly qualifies.

Ideally no entity should be required to provide a podium for any and every random horse manure, of which this specific self serving, unsupported, unscientific, unreviewed and discredited by real professionals garbage clearly qualified.

But again, it is irrelevant. When Facebook and Twitter can refuse to take down patently false accusations and calls to violence from a Chief Executive, they are free to play by any rules they choose.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian29 May 2020 10:52 p.m. PST

It becomes quite clear on here who never voluntarily served their country.

I did 366 days in country from October 71 to October 72. And I volunteered.

I've two sons and a daughter-in-law in the Army and the older boy did a tour in Afghanistan earning an Air Medal Valor as an Apache pilot.

My father was a door gunner in WW2 on Navy PB4Y2's and my grandfather who passed before I ever met him got gassed in France in 1918.

I'm done with pathetic REMF's. Discourse is one thing. having service questioned by some wanna be, never were is not worth the electrons.

wmyers30 May 2020 12:05 a.m. PST

Again. YouTube is a private, for profit, entity under no compulsion, legal or economic, to tolerate or support every extreme or unsupported opinion that comes down pike, of which this specific failed attention getting bit clearly qualifies.

With greater use/promotion/accessibility comes greater responsibility.

That includes being transparent in policies.

If Fakebook claims repeatedly to be unbiased yet clearly is not by its actions, that goes way beyond "false advertising" because of the inherent power wielded.

There's a reason for the laws against monopolies. There's a reason for anti-trust laws.

Social media is new and these laws are coming. For clear reason.


Not only has George Orwell predicted our time, so has Charles Dickens when he said ""It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair."

Look at Facebook's Transformation to Fakebook and how the social media giant has launched conservative news block 2.0. Facebook, as a private company, has the freedom to push whatever news stories it wants to be "trending." Equally, however, Facebook users have the freedom to deactivate their account or simply look to other news sources.

Facebook's new partisan fact checkers are false. They promote fake news as real and real news as fake. We have talked about the problematic nature of media mergers. How media has become easier to control society. We are truly seeing some Orwellian stunts in the main stream media.

CNN has become known for fake news. That is why so many refer to it as the Communist News Network. Yet they are not alone. NBC has direct ties to Communist China. This is concerning.


Among the American companies with close ties to the Chinese communist regime is NBC Universal. On Nov. 23, 2010, Chinese state-run media Xinhua and NBC signed a memorandum of cooperation in New York, confirming that the two sides established a business cooperation in international broadcast news.

According to the memorandum, China Xinhua News Network and NBC will conduct extensive and in-depth cooperation in the collection, production, and broadcast of TV news content and personnel training. According to the CCP's official media, this was the latest market expansion effort taken by the Xinhua at the time.

Steve Capus, then-president of NBC News, said at the signing ceremony that NBC values its partnership with Xinhua and hopes to strengthen cooperation and common development. On Feb. 18, 2020, the U.S. State Department listed Xinhua and five other Chinese state-run media outlets in the United States as foreign missions, identifying them as operations of the Chinese regime and not independent news organizations.

In 2001, NBC Universal Media, LLC began plans to build a theme park in China. Construction began in 2019 and is expected to be completed in May 2021. It will be the world's largest Universal Studios resort. On Oct. 17, 2019, Alibaba Group and Universal Beijing Resort reached a strategic cooperation, which will widely use facial recognition technology in the area, and jointly create a digital benchmark for the global theme park industry, allowing visitors to scan their faces and enjoy the park. Universal Beijing Resort will achieve full coverage of 5G networks.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2020 4:10 a.m. PST

Ah the prosecution complex is great in this one. The fact is the right wing presence is far stronger on Facebook and YouTube than the left wing is. Tiny tiny right wing extremist YouTube channels spreading all kinds of hate or nonsense. Channels that can't possibly survive on it's own, but is financially backed by rich right wingers. In the hope that just 1 or 2 vulnerable teens sees those videos and get indoctrinated.
Facebook hired right wing outlets as fact checkers, but hasn't hired even someone remotely left wing outlets as fact checkers.

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