"Mountain of Data Shows Wuhan Virus Lab Origin" Topic

Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged From a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

Published April 16, 2020. Updated May 2, 2020.

1 Abstract

The goal of this document is to examine evidence that may prove that (1) the SARS-CoV-2 virus was present at a biolaboratory in Wuhan, China, and (2) the SARS-CoV-2 virus was introduced into the greater Wuhan population by an infected lab worker or animal. These claims from this point on will be referred to as Claim 1 and Claim 2.
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We hope that this document adequately addressed each claim with what evidence is available and fulfilled its secondary responsibility of educating you on biolaboratory safety. By now, we hope you understand that these claims are not impossible; they are in fact more than likely.

We may never be certain of the truth. What we are certain of, however, is that these claims shouldn't be discounted, and far more research must be done to disprove either one.

Our work as a global community must continue.

project-evidence.github.io

This is just the beginning.

This is just the beginning.

I bet it is.

This is going to be another version of buttery males or the Kenyan birth certificate isn't it…

Martin, so glad to see your professionalism at its shining best!

That is one deep rabbit hole.

Idiotic things can be dismissed as idiotic, no need for professionalism.

noun, plural id·i·o·cies.
utterly senseless or foolish behavior; a stupid or foolish act, statement, etc.:
All this talk of zombies coming to attack us is pure idiocy.

What's idiotic is dismissing something before reading it.

Making a dismissive post before comprehension of content.

What's idiotic is dismissing something before reading it.

Making a dismissive post before comprehension of content.

AHEM:

Not the most trustworthy source in the world ( Daily Beast ), is historically very biased with hidden agendas, and the evidence is incompatible with the mountain of data showing the how the virus originated.

Not worth our time.

TMP link

Where did this business start in certain circles that you cant trust an unbiased source? What's even more stupefying is that this type that constantly shouts "Bias!" doesnt believe in objectivity anyway, which would suggest that there isnt any use to claiming bias in the first place.

You can be biased and still treat something fairly. There is no reason to believe that someone is doing something dishonest because they're biased. Further, if a person believes that bias is grounds for an instant dismissal of legitimacy, then they really dont believe in anything; and they therefore can be ignored.

In addition, I think there are many times when content should get dismissed out of hand without examining or reading it.

For example, a cookbook entitled "What types of animal dung goes best on a Sandwich" is a volume I can skip without regrets.

Also, "What about all the nice things White Supremacists have done?" Here's another volume I dont need to read to stay well informed.

Or, "If the Earth is really spinning around, why dont we all hurtle out into space?: The real reasons "THEY" tell you your innate wisdom is paranoia"

But my favorite skip-able book of all time is "I can believe whatever I want without proof and that makes me smart but you have to read everything I toss at you or I win". Now here's a book I wouldnt waste two seconds on.

What's idiotic is dismissing something before reading it

If it's idiotic, it's idiotic, 10 pages of more idiocy doesn't change the basic idiotic premise.

If someone claims birds are really robots from a little planet around betleguse. I don't need to read pages of more nonsense to know it's nonsense.

Well that never has stop Martin and his charts.

wmyers, purely out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the Flat Earth Society, the (alleged) Moon Landings and David Icke?

What about Climate Change, The Young Earth "Theory", or 5G disease propagation? Birds of a Feather do run together. Crank Magenetism is among us!

You want sources most of the Australian government. Rutgers University. NIA , WHO
"It seems the U.S. embassy gave a confected report to an Australian newspaper inflating baseless claims that the COVID19 virus was hatched in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan," former Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr told The Sydney Morning Herald.

"What we have before us doesn't suggest that that is the likely source," Morrison said in response to comments Trump made saying the virus originated in a Wuhan lab. "There's nothing we have that would indicate that was the likely source, though you can't rule anything out in these environments.

If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated," Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during an interview with National Geographic last week. "Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature and then jumped species."

On April 21, the World Health Organization noted at a briefing that available evidence indicates coronavirus originated in animals in China late last year and was not manipulated or produced in a laboratory as has been alleged.

"It is probable, likely, that the virus is of animal origin," WHO spokeswoman Fadela Chaib said.

Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, said earlier this year in an interview with The Washington Post: "Based on the virus genome and properties, there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus.

Flat Earth Society, the (alleged) Moon Landings and David Icke?

Well lets done these one by one.

First Flat Earth Society, now are we talking about those who think the earth is flat or the Band?

Thinking that it the former and well they are just plain crazy. Come on, I can see a mountain from my house so the earth is not flat and either is it shape like a circle.

Second the (alleged) Moon Landings, now I do believe that we did land on it.

Third David Icke, well I think he hit the ball with his head one too many times. Total crazy.

If someone claims birds are really robots from a little planet around betleguse. I don't need to read pages of more nonsense to know it's nonsense.

Poor example Gunfreak – it's actually Tau Ceti, but birds are definitely robots from space.

YouTube link

even the song they make is kinda spacey….

You can see the full evidence here: YouTube link

Minipigs, I simply quoted Martin using his subject.

Basha, did you read the post on deception techniques used as well as those of Alinsky?

It's easy to tell who read the link as well as those who are threatened by an investigation into China and the Wuhan Virus.

That leads to the greater question of why?

Perhaps you can enlighten us Basha? Martin? Gunfreak?

Wmyers, sorry, I don't remember that one, and have no idea who Alinsky is – got a link?

Just trying to get an insight on your points of reference in coming to the conclusions that you do about the current pandemic.

No one, except RW nut jobs still have a "thing" about Alinksky,who may be, among the right, the most scary community organizer in history. He is a very dated example of the same sort of deranged attention that George Soros attracts today from conspiracy minded sorts that believe that such people can wrongly promote liberal causes using evil magic or evil-gotten gains. The trope requires they have a foreign sounding name, preferably Jewish, and some level of success. That success can't be because they help disadvantaged and disposed people gain a place in the political argument, but because they employ secret cabals and techniques rooted in some international plot that the nutjobs can uniquely understand.

If someone quotes Alinsky the odds are he is a RW conspiracy nut, and very unlikely anyone actually employing the "secret codes", which are pretty straight forward organizing techniques and motivators. The attention of the right was increased on Alinsky because Hillary Clinton, whom they see as the Wicked Witch of the North, wrote her graduate thesis on his work. In a loopy way it all hangs together once you take the RW conspiratorial pill.

See: link

Excerpt from above link:

" The Tea Party and uproar over Clinton-Obama "Alinsky" links[edit]
In the 2000s Rules for Radicals did develop as a primer for middle-class moblization, but it was of a kind and in a direction—the return to "vanished verities"—that Alinsky had feared. As did William F. Buckley in the 1960s, a new generation of libertarian, right-wing populist, and conservative activists seemed willing to admire Alinsky's disruptive organizing talents while rejecting his social-justice politics. Rules for Radicals, and adaptations of the book, began circulating among Republican Tea Party activists. According to spokesman Adam Brandon, the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, distributed a short adaptation of Alinsky's work, Rules for Patriots, through its entire network. Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey is also reported to have given copies of Alinsky's book to leaders of the Tea Party movement.[62] In Rules for Conservative Radicals (2009) Michael Patrick Leahy, an early Tea Party leader, offered "sixteen rules for conservative radicals based on lessons from Saul Alinsky, the Tea Party Movement, and the Apostle Paul".[63]

Once it appeared that links could be drawn between Alinsky and two major Democratic-Party presidential hopefuls, Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator, later President, Barack Obama, conservatives were interested less in appropriating from the organizing tactician than in demonizing Alinsky. It was discovered that Alinsky had been the subject of then Hillary Rodham's senior college thesis.[64][65] Clinton had not been uncritical of Alinsky. Alinsky believed that community leaders who generate pressure on the system from the outside could produce more effective change than the lofty lever-pullers on the inside. But Clinton argued that sub-urbanization and a federal consolidation of power meant change needed to be achieved at levels that Alinsky's model was not designed to target. Nonetheless, her conclusion allowed that Alinsky "has been feared – just as Eugene Debs or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared, because each embraced the most radical of political faiths — democracy."[66]"

Repiq,

You are showing your true colors again.

We know where you stand and well…

Wow …

I think that was purely political.

Not even trying to veil it like two others attempt to …

Basha, I haven't come to any concrete conclusions yet, except sensationalism, fear and panic sell headlines which in turn are driving people beyond reason and logic and some are taking advantage of the fear and panic to further their agenda(s).

Martin posted a typical condescending slam about some 10 page contracted paper about China. The one I posted is a lot more in-depth, independent and continually being updated.

Yet, the same couple of characters jump out and give knee jerk reactions without reading it!

Martin, doesnt move policy. Nor do any of us. A lot of these things just take place organically. I think we've all become victims of the system of politics and media we have here and forgotten that trends often happen irrespective of the truth or lies.

You dont need to read a 10 page report on China and the virus to know that a massive butt kicking is coming their way. Frankly, it's going to be alarming watching how China reacts to the massive and tacit economic punishment they're going to endure.

I think that was purely

Well it is Repiq and he has some very strong views.

Plus a lot of something else as well.

Do you guys ever, ever, think about what you write? Question your own attitudes and their factual basis? I think not. It is not political but a statement of documented facts. Your argument is not with me but with reality. I was replying to Basha's query on who Alinsky was.

For which I thank you – must read a bit more widely about him but so far i still don't know wmyers' view on flat earth, the moon landings, David Icke etc (though I find myself in agreement with Mithmee on all 3!)

Do you guys ever, ever, think about what you write? Question your own attitudes and their factual basis?

Well from your above post it is clear that you surely don't.

Also that post does not say hardly anything who Alinsky is or what was believed in.

That could been easy to do by just posting his Wiki page or just state that he was a Community Organizer who was probably a Communist as well.

His claim to Fame is that he was active in the 1960's and wrote a book Titled:

"Rules for Radicals"

The title alone should be a major clue on what his views were and how he thought.

The best thing Saul ever did is die at the age of 63 probably due to being heavily smoker and bad life style.

Basha, I'm honestly not sure what you're asking (insinuating?).

If you believe at the time of Columbus they thought the earth was flat, that's a lie perpetrated by Washington Irving and Antoinne-Jean Letronne.

Masts had crow's nests because the height allows you not to see farther, but over the curvature of the earth.

The Popes and Catholic kings/emperors were always depicted with globes with crosses on top because it shows the supremacy of of Kingship of Christ over the world.

I'm not familiar with David Icke (sic?). Did he write rules at the time of Featherstone?

Are you asking if we are going to be able to fund any space programs to make it back to the moon? I know China is working at this in a very methodical way, yet only the current US administration is funding NASA but after this economic disaster it looks like China may be the only one to make it out of here better off than before.

the same sort of deranged attention that George Soros attracts today from conspiracy minded sorts

There is a reason Soros has rightfully garnered the negative attention outing him. His actions clearly put him in the "they" category defined by the hate-filled eugenics programs and ideology in the other post on the Science board outing Tommy Douglas.

If anyone wants to know about Soros they need look no farther than to his home country of Hungary.

abouthungary.hu/george-soros

wmyers, sorry if my question was unclear – I was just asking what your opinion was on some other (alleged) conspiracies to get a better idea/understanding of your ‘world view' that informs your opinion on the wider issues surrounding how the Wuhan pandemic is being handled – insinuating nothing, and I appreciated Mithmee's straight answers to (what I thought were) straight questions:

What's your opinion on the notion that the Earth May be flat (or, indeed, any shape other than a globe – thanks M!)?

Do you think the 1969 Moon Landing was faked – did man actually set foot on the moon?

We could also add some other ‘conspiracy' theories, like fluoride in drinking water, con-trails, G5 radiation etc for a more rounded picture of your belief system.

Let's pass on David Icke – sometimes ignorance is bliss – though I do now feel the need to read more about Alinsky while I have the time!

David Icke revealed the alien lizard nature of the UK elite in general and the royal family in particular to the world.

He may not be wrong – our current Prime Minister announced his girlfriend's pregnancy with a slip – that they were "hatching a baby" in the summer. Humans do not lay eggs to hatch their young from – but lizards do.

(BTW : I completely do not think that the UK is run by alien lizards – it just feels that way sometimes )

20th, that Mr Cummings always looks a bit ‘lizardy' to me – maybe Icke isn't so far wrong as I thought.

If nothing else it's a possibility for an alternate history steam-punk gaming scenario (hey – look at me making this about wargaming! )