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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2019 9:52 p.m. PST

….Warming Too.

"Global warming alarmists insist that we must drastically reduce or eliminate the eating of meat because, well, food-animal flatulence is destroying the planet, don't you know.

But getting billions of people to stop eating beef isn't very realistic, so some have put their hopes in lab-grown steaks made from stem cells. Oh no! That could be worse! From the BBC story:…."
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Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2019 5:16 a.m. PST

That reminds me, I need to pick up two racks of beef ribs for the charcoal grill for tonight.

Martin from Canada14 Jun 2019 5:19 a.m. PST

That language has my BS detector going off. First of all, the words alamrist is there. So I start looking at the BBC article, which is less doom and gloom than the disco-institute's take, and then I looked up the ( original peer reviewed paper ), and here's the main takeaway:

We conclude that cultured meat is not prima facie climatically superior to cattle; its relative impact instead depends on the availability of decarbonized energy generation and the specific production systems that are realized.

In other words, a great deal of the carbon intensity of labgrown vs naturally raised depends on the source of the power hook-up for the lab. Lab grown meat looks better under a carbon-free energy regime (solar/wind/nuclear) than a carbon energy regime (CH4 or Coal).

Furthermore, if you look at the discussion section of this paper, the authors put so many caveats about the assumptions needed to run the numbers since there's no commercially viable, let alone extant, lab grown meat production at the moment that they had to estimate their energy use. At best this paper should be seen as back of the envelope math, that's been checked over by a few volunteers that are knowledgeable in the field. This is definitely not the final word on the topic.

As for the source of the link, I looked at sidebar and see an article by Micheal Egnor (or as I think of him Ignore) the about page, and of course it's published, so I look at the about page, and the website is published by the Discovery Institute. That's a major red flag.


Armand, I'm not saying you should outright ignore this source, but if you can find anything on the same topic from another site, please do.

Bowman14 Jun 2019 5:28 a.m. PST

Tango, this is a psuedo-scientific website funded by the Discovery Institute and it's primary focus is to promote "Intelligent Design" over that bugaboo, "Darwinism". I guess it's spreading it's nonsense to other areas now.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to anything it says, much like the Discovery Institute itself. You should be able to tell from the purple prose.

Here is a smattering of it's headlines so you know what "Evolution News" is all about:

Edit: Ninja'd by Martin

Patrick R14 Jun 2019 6:54 a.m. PST

Cherrypicking much ???

You know this is pseudoscience-bullBleeped text when they try to shake the bushes and make spooky sounds, quoting "Organic chemicals" Like you're supposed to clutch your pearls and pass out at the mere mention …

I'm barely scientifically literate by any standards, but I know just enough to understand that Organic chemicals (or chemicals for that matter) are not "Inherently evil™" It's just carbon-related chemistry.

Gee …

Bowman14 Jun 2019 8:09 a.m. PST

Agreed. Better to post this bilge on the Utter Drivel board.

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Mithmee14 Jun 2019 11:56 a.m. PST

eating of meat

Well I have been forced to do this since having gout my wife will not allow me to eat beef at home.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2019 3:44 p.m. PST

ok… thanks!.


Bowman15 Jun 2019 5:01 a.m. PST

Well I have been forced to do this since having gout my wife will not allow me to eat beef at home.

A little off topic here, but make sure you get this properly diagnosed. That may require an extraction of the joint fluid for crystal analysis. You may have pseudo-gout which is from calcium crystal deposition. There are different types of gout and they all have different treatments. You may even have to give up alcohol as that impedes purine elimination. Get a good diagnosis and you may be good to go for your meat again.

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