"Is Circumcision That Common Among Koreans???" Topic

1) You won't believe what some aging rich women are doing; and
2) I have a hard time believing they all come from circumcised Korean babies.

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SERIOUSLY??? They really think there's some SCIENCE to this?

After this, I don't think I could ever trust any of their other life choices and suggestions either.

Dan
PS. And the "treatments" are upwards of $650 USD per session.

Some of you might have heard of the notorious torturer and murderess, Elizabeth Bathory, who died in 1614. She once hit one of her young female servants so hard that the servant's blood hit Elizabeth's skin. Elizabeth believed that the blood made her skin more beautiful, which led to her torturing and murdering numerous young women.

This is really sinister material and I won't go into any more detail (although Elizabeth was eventually brought to justice.) Still, this news story reminds me a bit of ol' Liz.

Jeff

So true! She definitely put her vanity above all else.

I don't mind using an animal product scientifically proven to work, like a pig's heart valve, specially if my life depended on it.

But I would have serious problems with something made from humans for reasons of vanity.

Dan
PS. Could this just be the first step, and "next thing they'll be breeding us like cattle"?

Gives a whole new meaning to the pejorative "D * c k f a c e", lol!

Very true.

People are definitely weird, but some will always find a way to justify anything, no matter how disturbing it is now, or the kind of precedent they are setting for the future.

Dan

SERIOUSLY??? They really think there's some SCIENCE to this?

That's never stopped anyone before, from doing or saying stupid things. Just have to read comments here on the Science board for examples of that.

And the "treatments" are upwards of $650.00 USD USD per session.

The best scams target the rich and credulous.

New meaning to 'Beauty Tips'

I'm still missing some answers …

1) Do Korean hospitals perform that many circumcisions?

2) If they do, can they sell the tissue to beauty product manufacturers? And if they don't, where is the tissue really coming from then?

3) And is it legal to import such a human tissue product into the US?

4) What other human cell/tissue products are being sold that freely here in the US?

5) Most importantly, why is this not a big issue among the media and the general public, other than as a freak or exotic story?

Dan

I don't know any of those answers. But you assume that there is any actual human tissue in these "procedures". I don't believe any of this is controlled like actual medical procedures. Gawd knows what they are actually smearing on their faces.

Dan
You are ASSUMING that the lovely superstar wasn't lied to by her suppliers. Or she lying.
Why would Korean foreskins be superior to Irish or Nepalese or Bengali or Berber?

People like her have one job, and that's to look good. Some are better at it than others. And some need help. And some will believe anything.
And some in the twilight of their careers and unable to get work, but still look fabulous, turn to hucksterism.

I am more willing to believe that octopi came from outer space than I'm willing to believe that injecting Korean foreskins will make aging beauties look better.

Trust but verify.

And to prove that there is neither rhyme nor reason to Autocorrect, it changed "foreskins" to "fire skins". Which I promptly edited back.

Bowman, Winston

You are absolutely right. I'm starting off with a big assumption, that they are indeed using infant human tissue.

In all the sensational media reports on the practice, which goes back years and involves people administering the "treatment" in many countries, I have yet to find anyone who actually tested the material.

So, to err on the side of caution, for now I would rather assume the worst-case scenario and adjust back as needed.

It's okay if later I have to retract and eat my words. I'm used to it. :)

Dan
PS. By the way, what we knew of child trafficking is apparently just the tip (pardon the pun) of the proverbial iceberg.

You are absolutely right. I'm starting off with a big assumption, that they are indeed using infant human tissue.

And there's where you make your first (of many) errors, grasshopper….

Reminds me of a drug smuggling case. Seems a young man was busted trying to smuggle hashish, IIRC. When the substance was analysis it was found to be desiccated cow dung. Nevertheless, he was tried and convicted for drug smuggling because he ASSUMED it was hashish….

Careful with your assumptions, grasshopper, they can lead you astray….

I think the practice has persisted, and it hasn't even been lab tested, precisely because those who think it is absurd automatically assume it is not made from human tissue.

That's almost like saying that you won't dispatch any police units to investigate crime tips because you figure the likelihood of them being authentic is very low.

Dan

Not that unusual, that is, crazy quack faux 'medicine'. Some of its cultural, some its old wives tales. Some idiots still think that rhino horn will boast your 'potency'. And that's NEVER been tested (and is pure quackry). So this one is just one more of many….

Charlie 12

You just brought up a good example, the rhino horns. Even if some of those turn out to be something other than rhino horn, a conscientious investigator will nonetheless check most of the leads that come his way.

Dan

Just found this article:

"The most disturbing and alarming [controversy] is in the unethical trafficking of neonate foreskins. Not only do parents of North American baby boys have to pay between $200 USD to $300 USD to obstetricians to circumcise their boys that no sooner are the circumcised foreskins cut off that they are sold on to bio-engineering and cosmetics companies by the hospitals.

"The resale value of neonate foreskins is astronomically dizzying in that from one boy's foreskin can be grown bio-engineered skin in a lab to the size of a football field. That's 4 acres of new skin or around 200,000 units of manufactured skin, which is enough skin to cover about 250 people and sells at $3,000 USD a square foot. Considering that there are 1.25 million neonate foreskins circumcised each year in the U.S alone this translates to one of the most lucrative trades, if not THE most lucrative trade in human body parts ever in the history of humanity."

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Like I said before, I can understand use of human tissue for lifesaving reasons. It's the vanity market the part that "cheapens" (ethically) the harvested human material used in the cloning process. And I wonder if this frivolous use doesn't also take valuable resources* away from patients needing true medical procedures or, at the very least, increases the cost to the patient.

After all, there is a finite amount of the tissue. There can only be so many circumcisions performed in a given country, some more than others of course.

Dan
PS. I'm still not clear though if all the Korean baby tissue used by celebrities in LA is really from Korean babies or not, which takes us back to the title of this thread.

Dan,

I have no idea about the veracity of this "procedure". But it reminds me of the plot of "The Freshman" from 1990.

If you may recall, Mathew Broderick, a naive University freshman, accepts a job with the local Mob. One of the Mob's business's is charging 1 million $ to rich and credulous people for the "luxury" of eating seriously endangered animals. The movie deals with Mathew wrangling up one of the last type of Komodo dragon for this dinner. Of course at the end, the diners are bilked out of their money as the Komodo dragon was never meant to be eaten, and they are served chicken instead.

This is what I thought of when I read Ms. Bullocks comments. A nice movie where Marlon Brando does a nice send up of his Vito Corleone character.

Lol, I did too!

And then I found way too many similar reports from what seem to be mainstream sources.

Dan

Aww, why the long face?

And when did you first realize that you could roll your eyelids up over the top of your head?!?