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jah1956 Inactive Member11 Mar 2017 5:51 a.m. PST

Have to see one of my sons Teachers pop in to the school on Friday midday sorry He is not here, me OK when can I see him next week, oh no sorry he off for the next two weeks
ON HOLIDAY sorry for shouting now lets see school closed and it is closed for 6 weeks in the summer then 1 week half term then 2 weeks Christmas then 1 week half term then say 2 week Easter then one week half term that is 13 weeks (had to take off a shoe and sock for that one) 13 weeks the school is closed then he can take 2 weeks holiday. So our poor school teachers have to work 37 weeks a year 8.50am till 15.40pm Such long hours so few holidays I feel for them I really do.

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 6:48 a.m. PST

And your point being???

Personal logo Schmitt Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 7:24 a.m. PST

That sounds like a pretty tough schedule for a European worker. And I am sure teachers have to put in more hours than what you list, just in order to prepare for class.

Combine that with having to deal with a gaggle of kids all day at work, 80% of whom are first class twits, and you really don't have a real beef.

alien BLOODY HELL surfer11 Mar 2017 7:26 a.m. PST

any teacher has at least another 4-6hrs work each day after their actual hours. I only taught part time at my last work place in the evenings to help them out, the paperwork was still massive, and over here in a lot of places, there is no admin help for them either, just more and more demands made of them.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 7:53 a.m. PST

Sounds like a "tough schedule for a European" would be considered part time in the US.

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 8:03 a.m. PST

Yes jah. My lazy wife is a teacher. I keep telling her she should put some hard work in, but no. She only starts work at 7am each morning, never has time to eat anything during the day, leaves work at 6pm, gets home, has some dinner, does another 3 hours work, and goes to sleep. Weekends she really loafs around, only working about 6 hours on a Saturday and the same again on Sunday. And all those holidays are a real doddle. Two weeks this Easter, and she will only be in school on four or five days and work at home for another three or four. Part-timer, eh?

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member11 Mar 2017 9:08 a.m. PST

Teaching is fun. Trust me, been doing it for 30 years.

And yes, 'official' hours are a joke.

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 9:08 a.m. PST

If teaching is such a great job why is that there always seems to be a shortage of them?

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 9:17 a.m. PST

Not to mention that teachers also have to deal with parents, 80% of whom are even more twitty than their spoiled kids. QED.

CorroPredo Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 10:20 a.m. PST

My wife is also a lazy teacher. Right now she's at the school doing lesson plans despite just getting over the flu. At the school pretty much every day of the week during spring break. And as Parzival says then has to deal with parents. Might want to spend a day in their shoes before whining….

Prince Rupert of the Rhine11 Mar 2017 11:06 a.m. PST

Cedric@ are you married to my wife? You have literally just described her life in detail. I just read this thread to her and she says thank you…she was less than complimentary about the OP.

jah1956 Inactive Member11 Mar 2017 11:15 a.m. PST

Some People here I think are implying my son could be a first class twit. now to put the record straight

number 1 son is not nor I think will ever be a first class anything however it is a good idea maybe with a bit of an effort he could become a first class twit.

goragrad11 Mar 2017 11:50 a.m. PST

My niece of course is one of the hard core – works on grading and lesson prep at home in the evenings, heads back early from holidays and vacation to prepare for the next session, etc.

But then there are indeed teachers who just put in their time and look forward to moving up the ladder into administration where much of the real bloat and inefficiency are located.

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member11 Mar 2017 1:14 p.m. PST

Actually, if teaching is so easy, but 40% of new teachers drop out in the first year…

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Waco Joe11 Mar 2017 2:37 p.m. PST

this will not be a popular post but here goes anyway.

Teaching students who want to learn in a field in which you are competent is fun, rewarding and to a great degree easy.

Teaching students who are just going through the motions, whose parents are using you as a babysitter, for an administration that is more interested in metrics than learning, is hard, soul killing work.

Education is at is at its root, a communication process. Without a willing and receptive sender and receiver, the process is doomed to failure.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 5:01 p.m. PST

Whenever I hear someone say

"teachers are so well paid, they only do 5 hours a day and they get so much holiday"

I always reply

"yeah, only an idiot wouldn't go for a job like that – when are you starting your teacher training?"

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 6:39 p.m. PST

No one said anything about your son, jah1956. You wrote a post that denigrated an entire profession and demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge or understanding about the profession and those involved, and incidentally directly insulted many members here, not to mention their loved ones. The rant was inconsiderate and ill considered, and, quite frankly, ignorant in both fact and tone. The appropriate post now should not be a defense of anything, but an apology.

Personal logo Private Matter Supporting Member of TMP11 Mar 2017 7:35 p.m. PST

+2 Parzival 👏🏼. You said it far more tactfully than I was thinking to say it.

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Mar 2017 1:16 a.m. PST

'this will not be a popular post but here goes anyway.'

No, nothing to really disagree with. Could extend it to parents who can see no wrong in their children, it's always the teachers fault or the schools fault, and sometimes there are highs, sometimes there are lows.

jah1956 Inactive Member12 Mar 2017 2:02 a.m. PST

Shall I answer, yes did you read the bit about me having to take off a shoe and sock so I could count to 13. And my last line saying how sorry I was that they were treated like this. If I really wanted to insult teachers I wound insult them not fool around with not being able to count to 13.
The last time I had somebody so angry about a post (not on TMP ) was when I said yes but your kind of xxxx and their xxxxxxxxx camps failed and the land of the blue star is here and always will be. Now he got really mad.

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2017 9:30 a.m. PST

Sorry jah, but your rant says more about you being ill informed than it does about teachers. The comments above are correct. And where did you get the impression that, "Some People here I think are implying my son could be a first class twit"? Reading comprehension, buddy. Talk to a teacher about that. wink

Personal logo Texas Jack Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2017 10:50 a.m. PST

As a teacher I can say the idea of us having an easy time of it is a common misconception. If you want to do a good job (and sadly there are many burned-out teachers just going through the motions) then it can be quite demanding work.
If I want to depress myself I divide my salary by the hours I actually work to see my incredible hourly rate. huh? But I love it and would never change jobs with anyone!

Regarding the teacher going on holiday, if the principal approved it then what is the problem? I have a colleague who is taking next week off for a medical procedure, so perhaps the teacher in question isn´t really lying on a tropical beach somewhere.

janner13 Mar 2017 5:44 a.m. PST

Did you arrange to meet your son's teacher or did you assume they would be available?

nazrat13 Mar 2017 6:55 a.m. PST

Bowman +1 (as usual)!! 8)=

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2017 7:02 a.m. PST

Agreed, Nazrat!

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2017 8:29 a.m. PST

Only tangentially (barely) to the OP, I saw this today…
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"Prospective teachers in New York will likely no longer have to pass a basic reading and writing literacy exam, the Associated Press is reporting.

The state's Board of Regents is expected to ditch the Academic Literacy Skills Test in part because black and Hispanic teaching candidates struggled to pass the exam, according to the AP….Soodak was a member of the task force that advocated abandoning literacy tests for teachers.

"Having a white workforce really doesn't match our student body anymore," Soodak added."

Yes…Far, far better to have a workforce that is diverse and can't read to be able to teach the kids to not read. What could possibly be wrong with this approach? It is LW, favors diversity, emphasizes appearance over substance and is virtually guaranteed to make the final product – already struggling – even worse.

Though, I suppose everyone involved could get trophies so their self esteem isn't damaged. They won't have to pay to engrave the plaques because they couldn't read them anyways.

Unfair to the parents, especially the ones involved in their kid's education. Certainly unfair to the kids who leave school less prepared for the real world than they need to be, as well as being unfair to the rest of the education system who now has to propel these students passed on to them without the basic building blocks for next year's courses.

jah1956 Inactive Member13 Mar 2017 9:17 a.m. PST

Bowman I will talk to a teacher when they get back from their holidays also are there two of you ?? your campaign idea and history so is cool is a nice bowman the one posting here about me …… or did you miss that I was trying to be funny and yes most of the time the only 5% see all of my jokes which may say something about my IQ high or low take your pick. On a more serious note after this W/E if I was one of my sons teachers I think I would go on permanent holiday or enter a new profession

jah1956 Inactive Member13 Mar 2017 9:27 a.m. PST

Waco joe Yes you might hurt some people the truth always hurts. And very well put

jah1956 Inactive Member13 Mar 2017 9:34 a.m. PST

Parzival Andrew Preziosi and Private matter I can say nothing to you three that will not upset you more so I will say nothing

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2017 10:12 a.m. PST

jah…I just asked what's your point…in all truth just a very condensed version of what most of the others wrote. As the others stated, you stepped into a minefield on this one.

JJ…Daily Call, with ANN COULTER??? Uh, get it from the WSJ, WaPO or NYCPS Department…on paper and I'll join you in smacking my head against the wall for half an hour!

jah1956 Inactive Member13 Mar 2017 10:50 a.m. PST

Andrew You can say that again from now on I will comment on teachers like hedgehogs have sex very carefully On second thought no I will not post about them again. Upset too many people next time I will just post that I think all …. should be banned on the KABA board will upset less people than this post.

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2017 6:51 p.m. PST

JJ…Daily Call, with ANN COULTER???

Just because the source uses her as an opinion commentator does not preclude their ability to report news, including their use of a source linked in the article (AP) and quotes from the parties in the Board of Regents.

Remember how all of those sources scoffed at National Enquirer when they were the ONLY source investigating John Roberts infidelity?

You need to consider what the source has, reports and can back up, not just who the source is. This is aqn ongoing argument I have elsewhere – they insist that since "real" sources don't report on something, it isn't true, and the "other" sources can't be trusted. I disagree for the reasons I mention and point out that the reason the "objective" MSM sources they like don't report on it is that such items are anathema to their worldview. Without getting into politics specifically, consider the vetting of political candidates and how the reporting differs based on party affiliation and "wing."

This linked article
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is the basis for the DC's story.

Headbanging is optional.

JJ

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2017 1:28 a.m. PST

JJ

Thank you for providing that secondary source, it does "seem" to be legit. Just so we're on the same page, I will not read anything from the either wing, but only established credible news sources, as mentioned earlier with links to the original sources.

Having said all of that. Yeah okay so only approx. 44% of Latinos and Blacks pass the test. Got it.

I wonder what the explanation is for only 64% of White applicants failing…still in the D+ range, now matter how you slice it.

I did hit my head against the wall, once, after re-reading this, but for various reasons.

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member14 Mar 2017 6:58 a.m. PST

Well, if the reason for scrapping a test is racially motivated rather than for sound reasons – it's wrong.

Incidentally, no good reason why racial minorities should do worse. In the UK, educationally they often do better. Our base 16 year olld exam is the GCSE, scores there:

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Quite a few 'beat' 'whites' in the attainment charts. And look at the scores for Chinese girls!

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2017 9:32 a.m. PST

How would someone who can't read and write have achieved a degree and a post graduate teaching qualification ? Sounds like the test is a waste of time and money.

GarrisonMiniatures Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member14 Mar 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

Don't know the US system, but there are teaching degrees in the UK and it seems to be that type that are lowering their entry requirements? Or people could be going on the teaching courses who have foreign degrees? The article says that the work covered by this test is already covered in other areas – that doesn't sound right, otherwise people would be passing it…

Mako11 Inactive Member16 Mar 2017 10:25 p.m. PST

"How would someone who can't read and write have achieved a degree and a post graduate teaching qualification ?".

One "professor" I had could only spell and write at about the 2nd to 3rd grade level. I suspect that's why she had an "assistant".

Social promotion works, at least for some.

Greyalexis31 Mar 2017 9:38 p.m. PST

I have worked a 24/7 call center supervisor for years… guess what teachers don't have it as bad as they pretend. Now having said that, I just want to say this does not cover teachers in really bad districts. Or Agriculture teachers.

I also have to put up with the result of public education.

Greyalexis05 Jun 2017 9:01 a.m. PST

I always felt sorry for teachers cause they know bad parents have given them spoiled brats and they are not allowed to shoot either and make the world a safer place.

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