"Staying Alive" Topic

First this is not about war or wargaming (but nor are vaccines or Global warming) but they get a lot of posts and nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read this or any other post you do not like.
To the point here on TMP and places I have read that antibiotics are failing because people do not finish their courses of treatment. This is true, But the main reason is that a lot of farmers are giving antibiotics to their livestock we then eat the meat get a low dose of antibiotics which then helps any bacteria build a resistance to it . Farmers feed their livestock antibiotics to help them fatten up and to stop them getting infections. The world yes the whole world has less than three repeat again three antibiotics (the debate ranges from three to zero) that no bacteria have a resistance to.
Now all we have to do is when the next Antibiotic comes out make sure that it is banned from being used on animals and can only be used on humans. This could save your life.

Maybe, but…

You are still going to end of dead at some point in the future.

So enjoy life to the fullest while you can.

Oh and do not go though it worrying about everything.

Mithmee I am going to live forever (well at least try to) and as long as I keep the Atlantic between me and Gert

You are still going to end of dead at some point in the future.

Surely you don't mean that we not take any adequate precautions.

So enjoy life to the fullest while you can.

Absolutely, but I'm glad I'm alive in the antibiotic era. Due to some Amoxicillin I'm alive right now.

This is true, But the main reason is that a lot of farmers are giving antibiotics to their livestock we then eat the meat get a low dose of antibiotics which then helps any bacteria build a resistance to it .

I can't say for sure but I don't think that is the case. I don't know if any antibiotics in our chicken, and meat survives cooking. However, we as a species have been given antibiotics so long, and for every reason, that we have selected for antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria.

Antibiotics were evolved from primitive eukaryotic organisms to give them a fighting chance in a bacteria dominated world. It took them millions of years to develop them. We've ruined all that in 60 years.

Oh and do not go though it worrying about everything.

Well our children and grand children may be living in a non-antibiotic world, just like the old days. That is worrisome.

Bowman, perhaps what he meant is old age and it's
vulnerabilities will cause the death of anyone
at some point.

I recall a line from (I think) a movie: 'Nobody gets
out of here (meaning life) alive.'

It's so easy for modern urban people accustomed to getting fruits, vegetables, etc. delivered to their local city markets all year round to set guidelines for everyone else.

I kinda do it too now, even though just 45 years ago we (my family, including me) raised our own chickens for eggs and meat. But, as my soon to be 93-year old Mom just reminded me this past weekend, there were times when we only had a matter of hours to decide whether to pump our chickens full of antibiotics or just watch them all die in quick succession and, with it, whatever economic relief they brought to the family.

Chickens can look and act normal until the point they are so sick they are almost about to drop. They don't tell you they're coming down with something or that they've noticed one of their friends coming down with something. So the window to act can be very narrow at times.

I must point out that, on those occasions when we thought our chickens had been exposed to something and we applied antibiotics and lots of TLC (some of them also doubled as my "pets"), we neither ate nor sold to neighbors any of the eggs they lay while they were under treatment. How long antibiotics remain in their system afterwards I suppose will vary depending on the dosage, breed, activity level, and a multitude of other factors I take for granted now as an adult.

I just can't imagine how people who depend on their birds for their livelihood would abstain from treating them with proper medications, just to be able to say that their chickens are always antibiotic-free. That just tells me that when disease hits, they either "euthanize" the entire lot or just watch them die slow horrible deaths.

Just my two cents.

Dan

So if you're feeling a little sick, eat a steak and you'll feel better.
Works for me!

Surely you don't mean that we not take any adequate precautions.

Sure you can steps still won't help in the end but it does make certain individuals feel better.

Well our children and grand children may be living in a non-antibiotic world, just like the old days. That is worrisome.

Only for them maybe but there are far worst things that are coming in the future.

@VCarter,

A big steak always makes me feel grand! :)

Dan

I live and work in a hospital in Kansas. We are overrun with MRSA patients every day of the week. Getting dirt in a scratch on a farm now is possibly a death sentence. The soil is so full of bacteria that are immune from most antibiotics due to livestock being pumped full of antibiotics. When my wife had her last surgery I couldn't wait to get her out of the hospital before she picked up an infection.

There was once a time when going to the hospital was a death sentence, will that time is close to coming again.

Cacique Caribe Yes I see your point and there are lots of antibiotics out there to give your ill chickens but not any of the next generation antibiotics they should be for humans only.

For those following this thread, remember, everything here was said on the Internet, and so must be true!

True. What I was talking about was 45 years ago.

Dan

Parzival. The head of the health service in the UK and WHO both state that Antibiotic resistance is one of the most significant threats to patients' safety in Europe. It is driven by overusing antibiotics and prescribing them inappropriately. Now while that is true. The use by farmers as its about money, is down played.
This is quoted from the BBC

They identified bacteria able to shrug off the drug of last resort – colistin – in patients and livestock in China. It is likely resistance emerged after colistin was overused in farm animals.

Resistance to antibiotics poses a "major global threat" to public health, says a new report by the World Health Organization (WHO).

China? Is that why we keep getting new strains of flu and other microbes year after year originating from "remote" areas of China?

Dan

Sure you can steps still won't help in the end but it does make certain individuals feel better.

And extends and enhances ones quality of life. Or does that not count for anything in your peculiar zeitgeist?

Eat norwegian meat, Norway probably uses less antibiotics than any other developed country when it comes to animal husbandry. And the animals welfare is also extremely high (Except for those poor whales)

Holland or as it should be named Hamland claims to use the least. I would be ok about eating Rudolf but I do not know about the wife and kids

@Jah1956: "I would be ok about eating Rudolf but I do not know about the wife and kids"

Are you a cannibal? :)

Dan

I am old and had forgotten to take my pills I would never eat my wife.

Rudolf can be tasty if in the steak or game strew variety.
However sadly Rudolf is usually served as "skav" which is over salted over dried "jerky" or in the form of yoka cakes. A canned food product consisting of raindeer meatballs in a rather unappetising sauce.

However sadly Rudolf is usually served as "skav" which is over salted over dried "jerky" or in the form of yoka cakes. A canned food product consisting of raindeer meatballs in a rather unappetising sauce.

Not to derail this, but that explains why European cuisine improves the farther south one travels. As a Canadian from northern German heritage, I believe the same effect can be seen (tasted?) in North America too.

I am old and had forgotten to take my pills I would never eat my wife.

So the kids then? Lol.

There is plenty of good food. In Norway, just Learn to stay away from most of the fish dishes and the regional dishes from the west, North West and northern part of the country.

The food from central East and South East is good. deer, elk is tasty.
Various roasts are excellent, be they game, deef or pork, lots of wild mushrooms, that are great for many things including sauces.

Meat cakes are delicious too, and the Germans have plenty of good stuff, like the winersntizel a dish I grew up with almost every Saturday!
And of course the pizza that was really invented by the vikings(after all we were in America and had access to tomatoes long before the decednece of rotten fish sauce people did.

Well eating pork shops tonight but we get the majority of our meat from a butcher shop these days.

Stop buying from the stores.

And of course the pizza that was really invented by the vikings(after all we were in America and had access to tomatoes long before the decednece of rotten fish sauce people did.

Lol! Nice try Gunfreak. I'm sure the Vikings were exposed to tomatoes the same way northern Germans were: by osmosis from the Spanish and Italians. The Viking were a little too far north to have seen a tomato. And the Italians had "white pizza" in Roman times (and probably much earlier than that).

…..like the winersntizel a dish I grew up with …

Which comes from the lands of the most southern German speaking people possible. I detect an Italian influence there too.

My point with northern foods is that they were much more concerned about preserving easily spoiled foods over a long winter and a shorter growing season. That's why salted cod and pemmican in North America, and sauerkraut and lutefisk in Europe would never have been developed in the southern countries.

Both my sons did a road trip from San Diego (where one went to school) back to southern Ontario, Canada where we live. They drove due east, so from SoCal to Arizona, Texas, Mississippi to New Orleans, Louisiana. They raved about the food all through that part of the trip. Then they headed north. They said they could tell they were moving northward as the food was getting progressively worse.

So fly down to San Diegoand you and I will repeat the roadtrip and have a culinary experience. Bring lotsa money and cholesterol pills!

Stop buying from the stores.

Mithmee, you don't have organic and antibiotic free food at your local grocery stores?

Lol! Nice try Gunfreak. I'm sure the Vikings were exposed to tomatoes the same way northern Germans were: by osmosis from the Spanish and Italians. The Viking were a little too far north to have seen a tomato. And the Italians had "white pizza" in Roman times (and probably much earlier than that)..

Romance propaganda, when Columbus arrived there was tens of thousands of vikings living on both north and south America. They just made sure to kill them hoping nobody would know they weren't the first Europeans in the Americas. Not only did vikings invent the pizza but they invented frozen pizza (we had pizza and ice so not hard to make.

(And this story is still more realistic then most of mithmee's ramblings)

But you guys never figured out ice cream. That also took the Italians. You should have sacked Rome instead of Paris.

Can't blame Paris on us, that was the danes and they've never been quite right, I think it all started when Norwegian Vikings and Danish Vikings had a truth or dare match. And asked why do you have Swedens lip marks on you ass? Denmark wouldn't answer. So we dared them to eat rabit brains and that's how the sacking of Paris happend. In fact most of viking history can be traced to various games of truth or dare.

"But you guys never figured out ice cream. That also took the Italians. You should have sacked Rome instead of Paris."

I thought it was the Persians, around the time of Alex Queso Grande.

Dan

This will make a great campaign for war gaming. Viking genocide in the New World over frozen pizza. Bizarre sexual antics back in Northern Europe and Danes with Mad Rabbit Disease attacking Paris by mistake. Who knew history was so cool!